I hope they replay it.

5:22pm


you say it here, they play/say it there.

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Here's the only thing that COACH had to catch:




COACH!

Thanks, Frank.

next week on mac, jurko, and harry..


buddy ryan and da cotch debate the post super bowl era in chicago!

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Coach likes to toss out he’s a “union guy” because his father was an active union member. When the NFL strike happened, Ditka could have privately supported the players and publicly kept his mouth shut. He didn’t. 20 years later Ditka is fighting against the union because it doesn’t represent the old players well enough? Ironically (I didn’t hear the show) he’s fighting against a former player of his who remembers Ditka’s perspective from the strike.

Ditka would be far more credible in my eyes if he weren’t such an indiscriminate opportunist, ready to tell others to sit down and stay focused while leaping after every dangling check.

"Pain never really bothered me." The last line from his restaurant bio. Wonder what kind of health and retirement benefits you can get if you work under his name?

I though Dikta sounded flustered, and Duerson came on with numbers to back up his arguments, and all Da Coach could say is 'you might be right, you might be wrong'....I think it was a good thing that he was being interrupted because he wasn't educated enough to debate. Dikta was simply arguing the emotional side of this arguement, and didn't have anything, numbers wise, to back up his point of view.

Why do you think that ? Is it because nobody can verify if the numbers are correct/exaggerated ? If so, I can see that argument to a point, but Ditka really had nothing but emotion to argue his case.

That's part of it. But, it really goes more to the nature of the argument. Sure, it seems like alot of money. But, I have no context to put it in. Is that what everybody gets? Is that only for injured people? Why is Ditka's personal compensation relevant?

I know Ditka put himself out there for this but it seemed designed to specifically try to prejudice people against Ditka's thoughts. It just seemed too personal to be that specific. If he wanted to say, "I know what you have received. Don't you feel it's more than enough?" I think that would have still made his point.

(Somebody else must feel like me because I heard an email that said the exact same thing. Do I need to break out my old signature?)

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You know me like that.

Also, if I heard that right, double D better double check his math - 9,000 players at $100k/each is $900 million not $9 billion.

Maybe Ditka is on to something with that kind of "fuzzy math".

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:


I think Ditka's personal compensation is relevant because it illustrates how much money former players can get if they (or their agents or lawyers) pay attention to what is going on as a result of the union meetings and the collective bargaining agreement. Duerson further illustrated that point by saying that DeMarco is only getting $15k a year but could be getting $50k a year if he had not cashed out early. He also said that has talked to Dan Hampton quite a bit about this issue and Hampton realizes he made that same mistake as well.

I can't fault Duerson too much for interrupting Ditka since Duerson was actually prepared with facts to back up his point of view. When Ditka did have a chance to speak, he gave misinformation, said he didn't know what was true and what wasn't, and then tried to paint himself as a martyr by saying he's only trying to do what's right and that "the only person I'm worried about embarrassing myself in front of is my creator"

When confronted with the fact that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and has backed himself into a corner through his own stupidity, he hung up the phone. He made a complete fool out of himself, IMHO, and having DeMarco, who seems to be a phony, and an uninformed dimwit like Da Coatch leading the charge on this issue...someone in that camp needs to rethink their plan of action.

Ditka isn't much better than Mike North, IMO. He's a loud mouthed buffoon with limited grasp of the facts and no shame, who's biggest talent is apparently self-promotion.

BTW, if DeMarco is doing as much acting as Jurko says he is, is he opening himself up to being charged with insurance fraud of something along those lines?

I think he made his point, irregardless of it's accuracy.

He should have just said "It's a lotta fuckin' money COACH!"

Maybe so. But I would argue that Ditka is not the typical retired player of his age. He got a head coaching position at a young age after his career was over and became a multi-millionaire soon after (if not before).

He may have been able to make choices regarding his pension that other, normal retirees could not. I doubt his post-football career is a typical path.

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You know me like that.

Ditka didn't come off as bad as I feared he would. (just repaired off to listen to the mp3). Duerson had a lot of numbers, but I'm not too sure he convinced many that the players association isn't to blame.

Still, they represent the present player, and there's only so much help they're going to be shamed into providing. The owners, you can argue that they ought to be shamed into helping out some (and they'll find a way to make CBS, NBC and ESPN pay for anything they proffer anyway -- it'll come at little real expense), but you have to think of it their way. If you consider who built the NFL into what it is now, is it the players of yesteryear, or Pete Roselle... Guess who wins? Pete. As for the players of yesteryear, that was income collected years ago...

Ah, well...

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Middle Aged Crazy, like Uncle Terry

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:


That's true, Ditka is likely getting a larger pension because he was a player and a coach (I think Duerson said he's getting $98k a year), but if the players who are in bad shape are not getting all they could have from the league due to their own negligence, while it's a damn shame they're in the shape they're in, AFAIK it would be no different for any "regular guy" union member who made ill-informed decisions.

That said, if Ditka and anyone else wants to raise money to help out the guys who are in a jam, that's great.

Bottom line for me is, is that Ditka hurt his credibility on this issue and the issue itself a LOT as a result of this interview. And if the stuff Jurko talked about regarding DeMarco is true, that's a huge blow to their cause as well.

Tad Quesy,
Did it not hurt Duerson's argument to state that the Bears should have won 3 super bowls and that Ditka was to blame?

Duerson has a personal grudge against Ditka, this is just a reason to bash him.

Ditka may be wrong, but I gave up on Duerson's argument when he made it personal. He's just a guy who has a grudge who is feeding people what the NFLPA lawyers tell him.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

forgive me for hijacking the thread, but im sure this thread will get a lot of traffic.

i ended up getting paul konerko to win whatever MJH was giving away for the sox game...does anyone remember what it was? dinner or golf or something or other?



COACHH!!

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Congrats. I think it was a $100 gift certificate to a restaurant.

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"Tubby? Oh yes, Tubby."

Duerson also posts on this message board under the moniker "Nas".

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"Tubby? Oh yes, Tubby."

duerson is not the first person ive heard say that

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yeah...i heard it too. they said your real last name.
not that i could ever spell it.

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@audioidkid

What does that have to do with benefits for former players? It just seemed to be a personal shot against Ditka for something that doesn't have any relation to the current argument. Your argument loses credibility if you have to take personal shots at someone to get your point across.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

they wouldnt let me use coztansa. i couldnt remember if it was golf or a restuarant gift certificate


another hijacking, god i hope the soundbytes of the 7th inning stretch "interview" with kelly pickler makes it onto the air tomomrow. that was hilarious

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:


I think you're definitely right that Duerson has a grudge against Ditka, and that comment was certainly a cheap shot. But, it's ancillary to the issue they were brought on the show to discuss; regarding that, Duerson was prepared while Ditka was not. That's why I feel that while it was not at all necessary, I honestly don't think that comment hurt Duerson's argument at all.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:


Regardless if he's in a position to gather that information for himself or if it was given to him by an NFLPA lawyer, he was armed with the facts and his opponent not only had nothing, but ran away when that became painfully clear.

another hijacking, god i hope the soundbytes of the 7th inning stretch "interview" with kelly pickler makes it onto the air tomomrow. that was hilarious[/quote]

trust me, it will be!

I thought he posted as "Deep."

I believe it was that Phil Stefani restaurant they've been pimping on 1000 for the last two weeks. 435, if I recall.

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Well, if you missed the interview yesterday Waddle & Slvy are devoting most of the morning so far talking about it.
I heard Kelly P. didn't get the words right- is that true?

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"I make fun of whoever sucks, including me"- Harry 11/30/07

In retrospect, I guess it's no surprise that this conflagration occurred, considering the major participants were a 1) an asshole wife beater, who again demonstrated he would rather argue than listen; 2) the coach, who is too emotional, too uninformed and will never admit he's wrong; and 3) MJH, who have been known to practice a little incivility on the radio themselves and also apparently like to stand by and let this kind of incivility take over their program. But unlike others here, I wouldn't call the ending good radio. I thought it was good radio until Duerson's asshole nature took over and he wouldn't STFU. Then it became chalkboard scratching shout show radio.

I heard Silvy promoting this at 7:15 this morning, which convinced me I needed to listen to something else this morning. Nothing like beating a story and an on-air skirmish into the ground....silvy and waddle I mean, not this thread. I'm all for beating threads into the ground...but then we don't have 20,000 listeners to entertain like the radio shows do.

I guess this is one way to overcome the innate boringness that is a baseball-oriented radio show...get some combatants on the air and let them go at each other. I wonder, though, if the Coach will ever come on with MJH again after the shabby treatment he got here?

So what fight can MJH pick next?