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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:17 pm 
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So tell me why this guy should have remained anonymous.


You are thinking like a good citizen.

I would wonder what was so remarkable that one person in an environment of million(s) of anonymous people deserved different treatment. The answer needs to be better than he made posts offensive to some, because that is a subjective standard.

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So tell me why this guy should have remained anonymous.


You are thinking like a good citizen.

I would wonder what was so remarkable that one person in an environment of million(s) of anonymous people deserved different treatment. The answer needs to be better than he made posts offensive to some, because that is a subjective standard.

I hear what you are saying, which is why I said I was initially torn on it, but im leaning more towards the "actions have consequences" side of the debate.

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Killer V wrote:
So tell me why this guy should have remained anonymous.


You are thinking like a good citizen.

I would wonder what was so remarkable that one person in an environment of million(s) of anonymous people deserved different treatment. The answer needs to be better than he made posts offensive to some, because that is a subjective standard.

I hear what you are saying, which is why I said I was initially torn on it, but im leaning more towards the "actions have consequences" side of the debate.


of course they do...but the "action" taking place is being performed by an agent of reddit. If the content is offensive, it is Reddit's content. Perform the expose on Reddit and let the public decide if it is acceptable....but she did not do that and the language of the writer gives a pretty clear indication that this was a personal vendetta (even the quotes she tries to use don't seem to fit with the narrative she is attempting to create). This was an abuse of her ethics, whatever those may be for reporters and I would hope she would never find work at a legitimate news source due to this piece.

I am left asking myself what the point was of this piece. It clearly wasn't to put a stop to offensive material on reddit. It wasn't even to stop a particular kind of offensive section of reddit as someone else will take up this guy's work. She didn't even want to stop one particular poster as he offered to stop and delete everything he had done in the past. No, all she wanted to do was out him.

now actions have consequences so extrapolate the actions of the reporter and determine if they are acceptable...displaying the personal information (and his family) of a person not because of offensive posting content (as I explained above, she really didn't care about) but only because he is popular is full on sociopathic behavior. She is the stalker she decries in her story.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:02 pm 
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She took one of the worst cases...a guy most people would be inclined to hate...the easiest of easy targets and still couldn't create a logical and consistent message.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
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If what you are saying is true, and it probably is, she doesn't see it that way. Things are almost always personal for women. It's how they operate.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:21 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:04 am 
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FavreFan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Killer V wrote:
So tell me why this guy should have remained anonymous.


You are thinking like a good citizen.

I would wonder what was so remarkable that one person in an environment of million(s) of anonymous people deserved different treatment. The answer needs to be better than he made posts offensive to some, because that is a subjective standard.

I hear what you are saying, which is why I said I was initially torn on it, but im leaning more towards the "actions have consequences" side of the debate.


I'm with you FF. The internet doesn't afford you the right to privacy. No where, are you guaranteed the right to be an anonymous asshole. Now I'm obviously only seeing one side of the story as I've never even been to that website, but it's quite clear from his reaction that he knew he was being a gonad.

Why was he deemed worthy of special attention in an "environment of million(s) of anonymous people?" He thrust himself into the limelight, ultimately becoming somewhat of an internet celebrity, albeit for the wrong reasons (subjective).

No one is infringing upon his right to keep right on doing what he has been doing.

No one is attempting to muzzle him. (If the owners of that site tried to shut him down, then you'd have a case regarding censorship or the first amendment I suppose)

With his veil of anonymity lifted, HE made the choice to stop how he had been acting. Actions have consequences.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:29 am 
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I don't think there's an expectation of anonymity, in spite of the fact that there may be a desire for it. I don't see this as a privacy issue. It's not like Google handing over information to the government. This was just a reporter exercising his own rights and digging out the information.

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It's ALWAYS personal.

We're all persons - how else are you supposed to take things?



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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
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Killer V wrote:
[No one is attempting to muzzle him. (If the owners of that site tried to shut him down, then you'd have a case regarding censorship or the first amendment I suppose).


No? Then what was the purpose of the article. Was it to provide you a little insight on a "celebrity"? That could have been done without revealing his name. Was it to try to stop a wrong? The author does not even concentrate on that area.

He point of the article was to do nothing more than personally damage this guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:14 am 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think there's an expectation of anonymity, in spite of the fact that there may be a desire for it. I don't see this as a privacy issue. It's not like Google handing over information to the government. This was just a reporter exercising his own rights and digging out the information.


There really isn't an expectation of anonymity as the guy freely gave out his name and appeared at events. I disagree that there isn't an expectation of some privacy. There are several billion page views and several million readers of this site. Out of all those people, only one person has had his name, family, residence and work location revealed.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:17 am 
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and this article only further cements my uncoolness as I had never been to gawker, 4chan and had only heard of reddit a month or so ago. It looked like a big jumble of nothing so I didn't get into it.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:18 am 
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good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think there's an expectation of anonymity, in spite of the fact that there may be a desire for it. I don't see this as a privacy issue. It's not like Google handing over information to the government. This was just a reporter exercising his own rights and digging out the information.


There really isn't an expectation of anonymity as the guy freely gave out his name and appeared at events. I disagree that there isn't an expectation of some privacy. There are several billion page views and several million readers of this site. Out of all those people, only one person has had his name, family, residence and work location revealed.


Really?

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:01 am 
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No? Then what was the purpose of the article. Was it to provide you a little insight on a "celebrity"? That could have been done without revealing his name. Was it to try to stop a wrong? The author does not even concentrate on that area.

He point of the article was to do nothing more than personally damage this guy.


I'm going to guess the author didn't care about the suitcase full of dildos or the porn. It's the underage pictures, the creepshots, and racist stuff that did him in. Be as kinky as you want but don't drag in others into it without their consent. If you do, expect others to hate you for it and go after you. Don't put stuff on the internet or in email that you don't want people to know about. He knew he'd get fired if he was outed...why do it? He took a risk and lost.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
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No? Then what was the purpose of the article. Was it to provide you a little insight on a "celebrity"? That could have been done without revealing his name. Was it to try to stop a wrong? The author does not even concentrate on that area.

He point of the article was to do nothing more than personally damage this guy.


I'm going to guess the author didn't care about the suitcase full of dildos or the porn. It's the underage pictures, the creepshots, and racist stuff that did him in. Be as kinky as you want but don't drag in others into it without their consent. If you do, expect others to hate you for it and go after you. Don't put stuff on the internet or in email that you don't want people to know about. He knew he'd get fired if he was outed...why do it? He took a risk and lost.


The author took no measures to stop the display of questionable content. He didn't try to shame reddit into removing those types of pages. He didn't accept the offer of the guy to remove all content and not post. He did nothing to stop the offender from offending. In fact, he most likely gave the guy more time to pursue his interests. It was a hack job posing as a public benefit.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
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Because the author is pretty sure it wouldn't have made a difference. She'd be a whiny facist and people would have gone with it's not illegal, freedom to do what we want here thing. She stopped this guy for the time being and made an example of him. Others might think twice about what they are posting. She feels "right" even if it ruined this guy. If he didn't want to fired, he shouldn't have posted some of that stuff. Sometimes there are consequences.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:31 am 
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good dolphin wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
No? Then what was the purpose of the article. Was it to provide you a little insight on a "celebrity"? That could have been done without revealing his name. Was it to try to stop a wrong? The author does not even concentrate on that area.

He point of the article was to do nothing more than personally damage this guy.


I'm going to guess the author didn't care about the suitcase full of dildos or the porn. It's the underage pictures, the creepshots, and racist stuff that did him in. Be as kinky as you want but don't drag in others into it without their consent. If you do, expect others to hate you for it and go after you. Don't put stuff on the internet or in email that you don't want people to know about. He knew he'd get fired if he was outed...why do it? He took a risk and lost.


The author took no measures to stop the display of questionable content. He didn't try to shame reddit into removing those types of pages. He didn't accept the offer of the guy to remove all content and not post. He did nothing to stop the offender from offending. In fact, he most likely gave the guy more time to pursue his interests. It was a hack job posing as a public benefit.

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Oh, of course it wasnt public service. It was a guy making his name, a personal beef, or both. But he has as much right to post the guy's name as the guy does to post those pictures.

There's a difference between bigfan outing Juggs and The Crew doing detective work.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:48 am 
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good dolphin wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
No? Then what was the purpose of the article. Was it to provide you a little insight on a "celebrity"? That could have been done without revealing his name. Was it to try to stop a wrong? The author does not even concentrate on that area.

He point of the article was to do nothing more than personally damage this guy.


I'm going to guess the author didn't care about the suitcase full of dildos or the porn. It's the underage pictures, the creepshots, and racist stuff that did him in. Be as kinky as you want but don't drag in others into it without their consent. If you do, expect others to hate you for it and go after you. Don't put stuff on the internet or in email that you don't want people to know about. He knew he'd get fired if he was outed...why do it? He took a risk and lost.


The author took no measures to stop the display of questionable content. He didn't try to shame reddit into removing those types of pages. He didn't accept the offer of the guy to remove all content and not post. He did nothing to stop the offender from offending. In fact, he most likely gave the guy more time to pursue his interests. It was a hack job posing as a public benefit.

If you get bad service at Mc Donald's you complain to Mc Donald's.


Oh, of course it wasnt public service. It was a guy making his name, a personal beef, or both. But he has as much right to post the guy's name as the guy does to post those pictures.

There's a difference between bigfan outing Juggs and The Crew doing detective work.


The pictures were already posted in public forums...or would Bernstein say forae

I think this is much easier for everyone to stomach because the guy has frightening interests. What if this were a closeted gay executive working for Chik Fil A posting about gay rights. Would it offend you if he was outed by some right wing investigator?

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Trolling
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It looks like I am missing a whole nother internet by wasting my time at this place reading conspiracy theories about evening sports talkers.

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The creepshots weren't and that's the one where he lost me.

The underage girl one is hard to stomach and tipped the scale for me too. The girls on facebook posted in their bikinis to get some poor horny young guy riled up and him to like her. Not for some 40 year old to post it on another site for other guys. The girls are not going realize that, kids are stupid. The 40 year old man should be better than that. The girls maybe need to learn a lesson yes but it really shouldn't be one that needs to be taught by this guy. Let the other teenagers in school ridicule her.


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Related - I have no problem with Anonymous for doing this either.

I think the issue boils down to your right to privacy on the internet. I dont think you inherently have any. Im guessing dolphin believes that you should.

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Hacktivist group Anonymous has reportedly tracked down the man who bullied Amanda Todd, a 15-year-old Canadian girl who committed suicide after suffering torment that led to depression and anxiety.

Anonymous named Todd's alleged bully on Monday in a post on Pastebin.com. The accusers allege that the man who targeted Todd, made her flash him and then turned her life into a living nightmare is a 30-year-old from New Westminster, British Columbia. The post describes him as the man who "extorted amanda todd for pictures. This is the pedophile that social engineered Amanda Todd into supplying him nude pictures."

Anonymous also revealed his address.

Vice magazine posted information that reportedly further links Todd to the alleged bully, including Google Map screenshots of his house, his Facebook profile, chat conversations and screenshots from a "jailbait" website account supposedly tied to the man.

Vice reports that Anonymous got involved in tracking down Todd's bully after nude autopsy photos of deceased Amanda Todd leaked online.

Anonymous commented on its involvement in finding those linked to Todd's suicide.

“We generally don’t like to deal with police first hand but were compelled to put our skills to good use protecting kids,” read an email sent by Anonymous to Canada's CTV News. “Ironically we have some good people in Vancouver who brought this to our admin’s attention. It’s a very sad story that affects all of us.”

The man who Anonymous identified as Todd's bully appeared in court on Monday on charges of sexual assault and sexual interference with a minor, unrelated to Todd, CTV reported. The man claims he was Todd's friend and pointed the finger at a New York man who was harassing her.

Todd, who lived in Coquitlam, B.C., an area by Vancouver, committed suicide last Wednesday. In early September, she posted a YouTube video detailing her struggle with bullying, self-harm and suicide attempts.

The torment began, according to Todd's YouTube video, after she flashed a man online when she was in seventh grade. One year later, she said, he tracked her down on Facebook and forwarded her t0pless photo to everyone. She was bullied at each school she went to, beat up by angry girls and attempted to kill herself by drinking bleach.

Todd's family is distraught by her passing, but her father finds solace in the fact that his daughter now has some peace.

“She was very courageous and I really love that she made that video,” her father Norm told the Vancouver Sun. “She told me why she made it — she wanted to send a message out so that it wouldn’t happen to someone else, so no one would have to go through what she went through [...] She did that on her own and her message is being delivered now. It makes me happy that her voice is still alive and being heard."

The two had planned to get tattoos together. Amanda wanted hers to read "Stay Strong" on her arm. Norm plans to get the "Stay Strong" tattoo for his daughter, according to the Sun.

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Related - I have no problem with Anonymous for doing this either.

I think the issue boils down to your right to privacy on the internet. I dont think you inherently have any. Im guessing dolphin believes that you should.]


I fall on the side of privacy (though I recognize there is not right to it here) protection in most situations.

Many think anonymity results in anarchy. It seems to me that disclosure is much more problematic.

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Related - I have no problem with Anonymous for doing this either.

I think the issue boils down to your right to privacy on the internet. I dont think you inherently have any. Im guessing dolphin believes that you should.]


I fall on the side of privacy (though I recognize there is not right to it here) protection in most situations.

Many think anonymity results in anarchy. It seems to me that disclosure is much more problematic.


Cultures without accountability denigrate into anarchy.

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But there is accountability within the culture. The person can be blocked by individuals or banned entirely from a site for behavior. This is a very open site and there is still a level of policing both by the moderator and the members. This all gets back to that the real expose should have been lodged against reddit which permits the activity.

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But there is accountability within the culture. The person can be blocked by individuals or banned entirely from a site for behavior. This is a very open site and there is still a level of policing both by the moderator and the members. This all gets back to that the real expose should have been lodged against reddit which permits the activity.


Reddit is and was exposed for allowing the guy to post the stuff there.

As you said, it's an open site. You also said he had no right to privacy. Therefore he had no expectation of privacy either.

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