First I hear Buffone telling me about how proud he is of Cutler's toughness. Does Buffone notice that the O-Line lets one man come through completely untouched on every single play? That Cutler drops back, turns, and is looking into the grill of Suh or some other beast? Does he really think that any team with a QB getting bashed like this is going to have him long?

I know Webb has a fragile psyche, and Tice's feelings hurt easy, and what a Neanderthal Buffone is, but I would like Cutler to start explaining again how there is no future in this. QB's aren't supposed to have to be this tough.

Then Bernsie being the first, at least that I've heard, to start with the "Bears haven't beaten anybody yet" line. They're good at taking the ball away from bad teams is all. The Packers are way better.

Discounting wins is plain nuts. This will go on all season from all kinds of people. Hub will do it through the playoffs. Hub doesn't count wins at home against good teams as good wins. The win has to be on the road against a good team to be a good win. Bears fans did it in the Bears last Super Bowl year. They did it through the entire Jauron 13-3 season. They'll do it this year. They seem to believe that the Bears natural state is to be bad. If the Bears have a good record, it must because even though the Bears are bad, everyone else is even worse, or, there is something wrong with the entire league.

Who'd they play? They played the NFL. Who are they supposed to play? Bernsie will tell you the Pack is better and the Bears beat only bad teams, never even noticing that the Bears beat the Colts who beat the Pack. Never considers that the Bears may be making teams look bad. Soon we'll be looking at the combined records of Bear's opponents and find that they have a lot of losses. They will not consider that those records were effected by Bears wins.

It's about time to hear everyone start anguishing about parity, as has been done every year for the last 12. I can't tell one year's patter from another any more.

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I think when you root for a particular team, it becomes easy to overanalyze all of its faults. The Bears have faults, yes, but so does every other team in the NFL. It is just easier to overlook the other teams because we don't see them play often. I also don't think it's useful in the NFL to draw grand conclusions from individual performances. Everyone is up in arms that the Bears only scored 13 last night. They could easily come out and hang 40 on Carolina next week and all would be forgotten. It's a week to week league.

Is that why Hub and Bernstein discount everything? Not sure. In Hub's world, you have to be a future Hall of Famer to be considered halfway decent. He told us all last year how bad Tim Jennings and Henry Melton were and how Charles Tillman would be better served at free safety. Bernstein is just Bernstein.

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If the Bears had lost to the Cowboys, Dallas would 4-2 and talk would be "see the Bears couldn't beat a good Cowboy team."

If the Bears had beat the Packers, GB would be 3-4 and then the win would be discounted, "Packers aren't that good."

One thing I'm convinced of and Bernstein should know this,there are no easy wins in the NFL. You never know who can pop up and bite your ass.

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One thing I'm convinced of is that BernSTINE doesn't know all that much about the NFL.

You're veiled accusations don't take into account that I READ THE BOARD and have been (up until about 8-12 months ago) an avid listener of the show.

Get your shit straight.

I'm with you on a lot of this, but Bernstein's kind of right about the Bears not beating anyone good.

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I LISTENED TO THE SHOW FOR YEARS.

And I TURN IT ON EVERY ONCE AND AWHILE.

I "listen to the board" to keep me apprised of the ebb and flow of the show seeing as that is where a lot of the posts go. NOT FOR PROPAGANDA PURPOSES.

YOU ARE THE MINISTER OF TRUTH FOR THE B AND B SHOW.

BigFan is to M&H as KeepingScore is to B&B.

Admit it and the truth shall set you free.

Was it wrong to discount the 2001 team as being merely lucky? They sure looked like a team whose luck ran out against Philadelphia.

And let's be real: the Bears haven't really beaten anyone good. I don't like "calculating" strength of schedule, but you can eyeball it and realize it's been a cupcake tin here. The Colts are in the first year of a lengthy rebuild. The Rams are in the divide-by-zero year of an infinite rebuild. The Cowboys are mediocre. The Jaguars are one of the worst organizations in the league. The Lions are an undisciplined mess and their coach might not last the year. They get two more likely wins against a directionless Carolina and a crappy Tennessee, and then it's an actual schedule from there on out.

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I'd say the Rams and Cowboys are your best wins and they are certainly not the cream of the class in the NFL. If you go 2-1 against Texans, Niners, and Packers, then I'll be impressed. It seems like, right now, they are playing through the season to go 12-4, maybe win the division, and then lose in the first playoff game when they play a real team. I know you can only play what is on your schedule, but weeks 10 and 11 will drive how much I can really invest myself into this team.

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Buffone was definitely a buffoon yesterday. One week ago, he said that it would be great to play the Jags every week, but now he would love to play the Lions every week because they are bad. I'm not sure what game he was watching, but the Lions were in it until the end. The Lions were a play or two away from winning the game. I understand that one play here is the difference in the outcome of NFL games, but to say that the Bears thoroughly dominated the game, is false. If Uncle Dougie is trying to compare the Lions to the Jags, then he has been hit in the head too many times.

Then you have Bernstein, who constantly belittles others for basing big picture opinions on one game, saying that Megatron isn't a game changer, because Peanut played him well. If he really thinks that Megatron isn't a game changer, then he is watching less football than Boers.

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Megatron not a game changer? That is idiotic.

He is still close to the league lead in receiving yards despite being bracketed every week. He just hasn't caught any touchdowns yet.

Stick with making recipes, Dan.

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I don't think you can make any definite statements about the team yet. They are playing well and the defense is playing great. Who knows about the rest.

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He did catch one in the Titans game from Shaun Hill, after Stafford departed with an injury.

I have watched every Lions game this year, and every defense's top priority was Megatron. The other team's best CB is on Megatron, and he is doubled quite often. That was certainly one of the dumbest things Bernsie has said in a while. He sounded like a meatball caller.

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I see nothing wrong with your assertions, thus rendering most of this thread moot.

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B&B also proclaim Peanut to be the best CB in Bears history, and a possible HOFer. So, because Megatron only had three catches for 51 yards (if he doesn't drop that slant, he goes 70 yards for a TD) against a HOF CB, he isn't a game changer? I suspect this was the first Lions game that either of them had watched this year.

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