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A few days ago I had a conversation with an Iranian guy. He was pretty desperate to get some money and I was trying to help him. We had a very interesting conversation about a lot of things. He gave me his views on the Israel and Palestinian conflict and I thought he made some good points. We talked for a good 30 to 45 mins and everything was fine until I asked him questions about where he went to school and what he majored in. I forget exactly what he told me but it was something dealing with chemistry. When he told me that "terrorist" instantly came to my mind. I felt bad but his rant on the middle east and how desperate he was to get money was partially the cause. I hate ethnic stereotypes and I found myself thinking something I didn't know I was capable of. Was I wrong?


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Unless you were having this chat in a lab or he was a chemist working at a gas station that should send up red flags.

You were not wrong.

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Not wrong.

It's not like you accused him of anything specific or called 911 or something.

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I thought it. Even though I didn't say I felt bad because the Muslim=Terrorist thing was in my head.


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I'd like to make a joke but I don't think half of the class would know that I'm joking and really not racist so I'll just see myself out.

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I thought it. Even though I didn't say I felt bad because the Muslim=Terrorist thing was in my head.


I don't think you should beat yourself up about it. Your awareness is enough.

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I thought it. Even though I didn't say I felt bad because the Muslim=Terrorist thing was in my head.

Well, for most of our lives we have been conditioned to believe Muslim=Terrorist, so I at least understand why you had that thought.

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I don't think anything you "think" is wrong. It is out of your control. And we all do it, not only day to day, but minute to minute. Anyone who says they don't is lying.

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If I had stopped reading after the 2nd sentence, which I usually do, I would have thought you gave the guy money.


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I'd like to make a joke but I don't think half of the class would know that I'm joking and really not racist so I'll just see myself out.


Fair enough ... I'll make it for you then ...

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A few days ago I had a conversation with an Iranian guy. Was I wrong?


Very much so.

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A few days ago I had a conversation with an Iranian guy. He was pretty desperate to get some money and I was trying to help him.

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I realized that, as far as I could see, they were harmless and misunderstood. Once they're over here, all they give a fuck about is owning their own business, making money, spending it unwisely, and smoking cigarettes.

This.

99% of them are just like the rest of us. There's a few wackos in there, but most of them come here to get away from the bullshit back home. Who would blame them?

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A few days after 9/11, I called the cops on a sneaky looking Arab dude who was taking a little too long filling up his gas tank.

It was a freaky time.

A few years after that, I had developed a few Arabic acquaintances, and I realized that, as far as I could see, they were harmless and misunderstood. Once they're over here, all they give a fuck about is owning their own business, making money, spending it unwisely, and smoking cigarettes.


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Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

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Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

Was I wrong?

Nope, what I usually do is park as absolutely close to their car so they can't even squeeze in their door when they come out.

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Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

Was I wrong?


Techincally, yes, 'cause wrecking other people's property is pretty gay .... but I completely understand why and can't say that I wouldn't have done it either.

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Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

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I'd go with probably.

1) He may have had a very sick kid with him and was less concerned about his parking space etiquette.
2) He may have had to do this because another car was parked poorly that was gone now.

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Well, for most of our lives we have been conditioned to believe Muslim=Terrorist, so I at least understand why you had that thought.

Huh?

You don't believe that in this country there is a sentiment that Muslim=Terrorist? Chas is a perfect example of that way of thinking and it's more common than you'd think. I'm not saying I personally feel that way, but there are a lot of people who do.

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Chus wrote:
Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

Was I wrong?


Yeah. There are a lot of extenuating circumstances around a bad parking job. Maybe the guy was an asshole but he didnt damage your vehicle, just inconvienienced you.

Just curious, Would you have done it to the car if it was like yours and an 11yr old car with scratches?

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Chus wrote:
Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

Was I wrong?
I'd go with probably.

1) He may have had a very sick kid with him and was less concerned about his parking space etiquette.
2) He may have had to do this because another car was parked poorly that was gone now.


1) He may have had a very sick kid with him and was less concerned about his parking space etiquette.

This wasn't urgent care, it was the pediatrician's office. If it was an emergency, then go to the emergency room. My kid hates going to the doctor, which makes it an unpleasant experience for me, but I still care about parking etiquette.

2) He may have had to do this because another car was parked poorly that was gone now.

It was 9:00 in the morning, and there were at least fifty spots available. The weather was perfect, so there wasn't any rain or fog to affect visibility.

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Chus wrote:
Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

Was I wrong?


Yeah. There are a lot of extenuating circumstances around a bad parking job. Maybe the guy was an asshole but he didnt damage your vehicle, just inconvienienced you.

Just curious, Would you have done it to the car if it was like yours and an 11yr old car with scratches?


I don't know. It's tough to say definitively how I would react in a hypothetical situation. The fact that it was a Mercedes didn't affect my decision in any way, I was just painting a picture.

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Well, for most of our lives we have been conditioned to believe Muslim=Terrorist, so I at least understand why you had that thought.

Huh?

You don't believe that in this country there is a sentiment that Muslim=Terrorist? Chas is a perfect example of that way of thinking and it's more common than you'd think. I'm not saying I personally feel that way, but there are a lot of people who do.

Yeah Im not sure why IMU was confused by your post. Im pretty sure most people would agree, especially him.

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Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

Was I wrong?


Yeah. There are a lot of extenuating circumstances around a bad parking job. Maybe the guy was an asshole but he didnt damage your vehicle, just inconvienienced you.

Just curious, Would you have done it to the car if it was like yours and an 11yr old car with scratches?


I don't know. It's tough to say definitively how I would react in a hypothetical situation. The fact that it was a Mercedes didn't affect my decision in any way, I was just painting a picture.


OK because I read it like "Fuck that dude in his nice car, I'm gonna fuck it up"

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Chus wrote:
Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

Was I wrong?



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Three weeks ago, I took my older son to his two year checkup. Upon returning to my vehicle, which is eleven years old, and full of scratches, I noticed that the driver of the new Mercedes SL parked next to me, lazily parked the car with the back right tire completely in my space. Not touching the line. Not a bit over the line. The whole tire was completely in my space, due to the car being parked at an angle. My son's car seat is behind the driver's seat, and I could barely open that door. It was a bit of a struggle to enter through the rear passenger door, climb over the middle car seat (for my younger son), and place my twenty six pound son in his seat. Before entering the car, I opened the back driver side door into his car as forcefully as I could, and I left a scratch on his door.

Was I wrong?


Yeah. There are a lot of extenuating circumstances around a bad parking job. Maybe the guy was an asshole but he didnt damage your vehicle, just inconvienienced you.

Just curious, Would you have done it to the car if it was like yours and an 11yr old car with scratches?


I don't know. It's tough to say definitively how I would react in a hypothetical situation. The fact that it was a Mercedes didn't affect my decision in any way, I was just painting a picture.


OK because I read it like "Fuck that dude in his nice car, I'm gonna fuck it up"


I don't hate people with nice stuff. I strongly dislike wealthy people, who look down their nose at others, and tell them to work harder, as if hard work alone put them in their situation.

It didn't apply in this situation. I was pissed at an ignorant driver.

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