So, what your saying is the Bears should start Campbell.

No.

Cutler needs to play better (especially early on) and protect the football a lot more than he does, but he is hardly as bad a QB as some here would lead you to believe.

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So that means his first half QB rating is like a 45?

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Which is what? The consensus seems to me he's in the Joe Flacco/Tony Romo/Phillip Rivers category. This may not translate as well from the NBA but those teams are in "quarterback hell".

I do know the game is over with any QB we've had since McMahon under those circumstances. I never felt the Bears were going to lose yesterday.

I also think the biggest play of the game really was the stop on 3rd down with over 2 minutes to go. It was great timing because.

A. If they got the FG which they did the Bears would have plenty of time to get down the field and kick a FG which they did.

B. If they missed the FG there wasn't a lot of time left and with 1 first down the game is over.

No matter what he says I don't think Jay was 100 percent yesterday. And I think he dinged his hand early on.

Did I see it right that he's had 16 now 17 games where hes either led his team to a tie or a win in the last few minutes of a game?

I think the exact correct answer to that question is "most likely".

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I really doubt it. There are a lot of football fans here. Someone should be able to name the guy. Great quarterbacks are great and don't need excuses.

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Or a fan base who thinks hes great and make the excuses for them

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Do we really need to list the 40 someodd QB's who have played the position for the beloved in the last 25 years or so? Krenzel, Quinn, Burris, etc...
For once in my lifetime, the Bears QB isn't horrible. That's a good thing.

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Neither was Orton.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Do you think Orton is a better QB that Cutler? Yes or no please.

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Nobody who knows diddly squat about football thinks Orton is better. There is no question he is the most overrated player in Chicago history because of a bunch of meatball fans who want a guy who smiles at the camera. The same people prefered Grace to Thomas because Grace smiled.

Grace was drunk.

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Also if Orton was better he would be starting somewhere this season. Although the idiots in Dallas want him to start over Romo.

Also remember you can't trust one word in the media about Cutler because he doesn't suck their personal parts.

To gain a better understanding of your point of view in regards to this discussion could you in at least 100 words please explain why the Dallas fans are idiots.

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I'll answer it the way I want to answer it thanks. I think the Bears would have the same exact record if Orton were the qb of this team.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

That wasn't the question.

Erik Kramer wasn't horrible, and was possibly a better overall quarterback than Cutler.

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So you & I agree that Cutler is the better QB.

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Matt Bowen's comments spelled it out right before a break. A small mention (much too small) about the WRs on this team (minus Marshall) simply not getting open and getting bullied 5 and in. Not to mention the miscues.

Terry seemed to not want to hear any of that.

So maybe the question should be revised to a QB with a lousy line and WRs who do not get open and do not understand their assignments - creating a situation where a QB has to throw to what he sees. In other words: making even more critical split-second decisions that open up a huge amount of possibility for failure that timing passing fundamentally tries to eliminate.

And while Cutler was never really a timing passer (it can be debated as to why), every QB have that in their game because that something all big boy NFL offenses run, to some degree. That is, those that are not fundamentally broken and continually having to dumb down what they can do. And none of it has to do with Cutler.

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Okay, so who is the great quarterback who didn't play great because of his teammates? If you really believe what you're proffering you should be able to name at least one.

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Kurt Warner with the Giants. Drew Bledsoe with the Cowboys.

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Bledsoe was bad before he even went to Dallas.

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How would you know if they are great if they played like shit because of a lousy offensive line?

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I'm asking the many football fans here who is a guy (other than Cutler) they think was great who had a less than great career due to the failings of others. Neither Bledsoe nor Warner fits that profile.

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David Carr. That guy had HOF written all over him.

But, again, that's an impossible question because no matter who you say, the immediate response will be "that guy sucked" just by the nature of the question.

I seemed to recall Bert Jones getting his ass handed to him on a regular basis until he was finally forced to retire. Guys like Ken Anderson or Neil Lomax might fit the bill as well. There's a few.

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