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 Post subject: Re: Bears offense
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:56 pm 
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Cutler is an above average QB with elite tools. Mentally and leadership wise he's well below average.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears offense
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:59 pm 
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Makaveli wrote:
Cutler is an above average QB with elite tools. Mentally and leadership wise he's well below average.

Put it all together and he is an average QB, which his career has aptly demonstrated.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears offense
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:00 pm 
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I love Dan Fouts. My late Sundays as a yout' were made by catching a late Chargers game on NBC, checking out an ALCOA Fantastic Finish, and then watching Voyagers!.

However, I am forced to admit that Fouts just threw a whole lot. And, while he had a couple fantastic statistical seasons as a result, he's probably overrated or overloved. In any case, I think you are underestimating the impact that the offensive system and capabilities have on a QB.

I fully believe that Cutler would have excelled in an Air Coryell offense and many others would have as well. You asked to prove when the surroundings made a guy worse than he was. I say I am showing where the surroundings made a guy better. I don't think it's a stretch that the converse is true (and a tremendous basketball shoe).


I never liked the Air Coryell style and I was never a fan of Fouts as a quarterback. Perhaps if Cutler were put in such a system his passing numbers would shine. Maybe that's even likely. But it seems to me that Cutler-led offenses are often struggling to score- regardless of the offensive coordinator. That was never an issue for Fouts. His problem was that the quick scoring of his offenses often had mediocre Charger defenses spending a lot of time on the field.


Didn't he play in such a system the past two seasons? Mike Martz is a disciple of Don Coryell.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears offense
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:10 pm 
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Tall Midget wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I love Dan Fouts. My late Sundays as a yout' were made by catching a late Chargers game on NBC, checking out an ALCOA Fantastic Finish, and then watching Voyagers!.

However, I am forced to admit that Fouts just threw a whole lot. And, while he had a couple fantastic statistical seasons as a result, he's probably overrated or overloved. In any case, I think you are underestimating the impact that the offensive system and capabilities have on a QB.

I fully believe that Cutler would have excelled in an Air Coryell offense and many others would have as well. You asked to prove when the surroundings made a guy worse than he was. I say I am showing where the surroundings made a guy better. I don't think it's a stretch that the converse is true (and a tremendous basketball shoe).


I never liked the Air Coryell style and I was never a fan of Fouts as a quarterback. Perhaps if Cutler were put in such a system his passing numbers would shine. Maybe that's even likely. But it seems to me that Cutler-led offenses are often struggling to score- regardless of the offensive coordinator. That was never an issue for Fouts. His problem was that the quick scoring of his offenses often had mediocre Charger defenses spending a lot of time on the field.


Didn't he play in such a system the past two seasons? Mike Martz is a disciple of Don Coryell.


I'm a disciple of Christ but I can't walk on water.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears offense
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:16 pm 
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I love Dan Fouts. My late Sundays as a yout' were made by catching a late Chargers game on NBC, checking out an ALCOA Fantastic Finish, and then watching Voyagers!.

However, I am forced to admit that Fouts just threw a whole lot. And, while he had a couple fantastic statistical seasons as a result, he's probably overrated or overloved. In any case, I think you are underestimating the impact that the offensive system and capabilities have on a QB.

I fully believe that Cutler would have excelled in an Air Coryell offense and many others would have as well. You asked to prove when the surroundings made a guy worse than he was. I say I am showing where the surroundings made a guy better. I don't think it's a stretch that the converse is true (and a tremendous basketball shoe).


I never liked the Air Coryell style and I was never a fan of Fouts as a quarterback. Perhaps if Cutler were put in such a system his passing numbers would shine. Maybe that's even likely. But it seems to me that Cutler-led offenses are often struggling to score- regardless of the offensive coordinator. That was never an issue for Fouts. His problem was that the quick scoring of his offenses often had mediocre Charger defenses spending a lot of time on the field.


Didn't he play in such a system the past two seasons? Mike Martz is a disciple of Don Coryell.


I'm a disciple of Christ but I can't walk on water.


Have you tried?

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 Post subject: Re: Bears offense
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:18 pm 
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I'm a disciple of Christ but I can't walk on water.


Have you tried?


Well, that's true....

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 Post subject: Re: Bears offense
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:50 pm 
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I would like to see some kind of dump pass in the flat to Hester or Eric Weems. I don't think I've seen it yet (missed one game) Not every big yardage play requires a ball to be in the air for 55 yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears offense
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They always try a bubble screen to Hester...and it always fails. (fails in the sense that they rarely if ever get more than 5 yards out of it)

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