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The best part about ending marijuana prohibition is that all the people who want to smoke marijuana can finally stop pretending like it's harmless.

This is a logical first step, though it's going to suck getting bombarded with marijuana smoke whenever you leave a building in a public place.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The best part about ending marijuana prohibition is that all the people who want to smoke marijuana can finally stop pretending like it's harmless.

This is a logical first step, though it's going to suck getting bombarded with marijuana smoke whenever you leave a building in a public place.


I'm going to suspect that smoking weed in public will be prohibited. Just as smoking in public buildings is not allowed and drinking on the street is not allowed.


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The best part about ending marijuana prohibition is that all the people who want to smoke marijuana can finally stop pretending like it's harmless.

This is a logical first step, though it's going to suck getting bombarded with marijuana smoke whenever you leave a building in a public place.


I'm going to suspect that smoking weed in public will be prohibited. Just as smoking in public buildings is not allowed and drinking on the street is not allowed.
I said they'll be just outside of the building, like the cigarette smokers are now.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The best part about ending marijuana prohibition is that all the people who want to smoke marijuana can finally stop pretending like it's harmless.

This is a logical first step, though it's going to suck getting bombarded with marijuana smoke whenever you leave a building in a public place.


I'm going to suspect that smoking weed in public will be prohibited. Just as smoking in public buildings is not allowed and drinking on the street is not allowed.
I said they'll be just outside of the building, like the cigarette smokers are now.

You can't drink a beer on the sidewalk, so rules for smoking pot in public will also probably be extremely regulated.

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You can't drink a beer on the sidewalk, so rules for smoking pot in public will also probably be extremely regulated.
Why would the rules not more closely mirror tobacco?

Given that smoking is illegal inside almost everywhere, are you saying that marijuana use will only be allowed in homes? I doubt it.

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The way I heard it is it's still unlawful and these state laws were just symbolic until the federal government changes the law. Did I misunderstand?

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The way I heard it is it's still unlawful and these state laws were just symbolic until the federal government changes the law. Did I misunderstand?
It's still illegal on a federal level, but it's likely that both for marijuana and sports gambling that the United States federal government will not be shutting it down unless it becomes a problem.

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The way I heard it is it's still unlawful and these state laws were just symbolic until the federal government changes the law. Did I misunderstand?

From what I understand, now only the feds, like the DEA, can enforce the federal laws. So this is way more than symbolic. This means that people can smoke weed freely without being worried about a state or county cop stopping and arresting them. The mess will be with the dispenseries if Obama keeps doubling down on the already-lost war on drugs. Hopefully he will flip flop and do the right thing like he did with gay marriage. As the drug war and marijuana prohibition become more and more unpopular I would think eventually the federal government won't have a choice.

And I agree that it most likely will have some regulations. You probably won't be able to smoke it indoors at bars and restaurants like you can cigarettes still in a lot of states in the south. The same buildings that have the 50 foot rule with cigarettes will most likely have them with pot smoking. Not sure if it'll be as extreme as alcohol where you just can't do it on the streets at all. I'd imagine there will be hookah lounge-type of businesses opening for it.

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Despite the passage of ballot initiatives in Washington and Colorado legalizing recreational marijuana, "the Drug Enforcement Administration’s enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged," a DEA spokesperson told Reason this morning.

"In enacting  the Controlled Substances Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance. The Department of Justice is reviewing the ballot initiatives and we have no additional comment at this time."

The DOJ released a similarly opaque response to reporter CJ Ciaramella of the Washington Free Beacon. "The Department's enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged.  In enacting the Controlled Substances Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance. We are reviewing the ballot initiatives and have no additional comment at this time."

While there's "no comment at this time," Deputy Attorney General James Cole hinted last month at what the Obama administration's response might be.

"Each case is going to rise and fall on its own unique facts," Cole said in a 60 Minutes interview. "Any of that is still in violation of the Controlled Substances Act of the federal law. We're not interested in bothering people who are sick and are using it in the recommendation of a doctor. We are concerned with people who are using it as a pretext to become large-scale drug dealers."

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, an opponent of Amendment 64, had this to say late last night: “The voters have spoken and we have to respect their will. This will be a complicated process, but we intend to follow through. That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug so don’t break out the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly.”


So, yeah, I don't think the DEA has the resources to police pot consumption in individual states. They will be targeting the distributors, not the consumers. There's enough science available invalidating the claim that marijuana has no medical value of benefit whatsoever, which is the criteria for being a Schedule I drug, so hopefully they gradually accept that and change the federal laws.

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And I agree that it most likely will have some regulations. You probably won't be able to smoke it indoors at bars and restaurants like you can cigarettes still in a lot of states in the south. The same buildings that have the 50 foot rule with cigarettes will most likely have them with pot smoking. Not sure if it'll be as extreme as alcohol where you just can't do it on the streets at all. I'd imagine there will be hookah lounge-type of businesses opening for it.
50 foot rule? Might as well make it a 50 mile rule for how much it's violated.

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And I agree that it most likely will have some regulations. You probably won't be able to smoke it indoors at bars and restaurants like you can cigarettes still in a lot of states in the south. The same buildings that have the 50 foot rule with cigarettes will most likely have them with pot smoking. Not sure if it'll be as extreme as alcohol where you just can't do it on the streets at all. I'd imagine there will be hookah lounge-type of businesses opening for it.
50 foot rule? Might as well make it a 50 mile rule for how much it's violated.

Then that's on the owner/security as well as obviously the smoker violating the rule. I've been 25-30 feet away before and told to go out another 30 feet.

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Then that's on the owner/security as well as obviously the smoker violating the rule. I've been 25-30 feet away before and told to go out another 30 feet.
So? My point is the law is basically useless because it's never enforced. I don't care that the girl at the front desk of The Cheesecake Factory should technically be pushing people out to the parking lot.

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Despite the passage of ballot initiatives in Washington and Colorado legalizing recreational marijuana, "the Drug Enforcement Administration’s enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged," a DEA spokesperson told Reason this morning.

"In enacting  the Controlled Substances Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance. The Department of Justice is reviewing the ballot initiatives and we have no additional comment at this time."

The DOJ released a similarly opaque response to reporter CJ Ciaramella of the Washington Free Beacon. "The Department's enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged.  In enacting the Controlled Substances Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance. We are reviewing the ballot initiatives and have no additional comment at this time."

While there's "no comment at this time," Deputy Attorney General James Cole hinted last month at what the Obama administration's response might be.

"Each case is going to rise and fall on its own unique facts," Cole said in a 60 Minutes interview. "Any of that is still in violation of the Controlled Substances Act of the federal law. We're not interested in bothering people who are sick and are using it in the recommendation of a doctor. We are concerned with people who are using it as a pretext to become large-scale drug dealers."

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, an opponent of Amendment 64, had this to say late last night: “The voters have spoken and we have to respect their will. This will be a complicated process, but we intend to follow through. That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug so don’t break out the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly.”


So, yeah, I don't think the DEA has the resources to police pot consumption in individual states. They will be targeting the distributors, not the consumers. There's enough science available invalidating the claim that marijuana has no medical value of benefit whatsoever, which is the criteria for being a Schedule I drug, so hopefully they gradually accept that and change the federal laws.


I wonder if the DoJ will take the states to court like the did with Arizona over the immigration law?

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I wonder if the DoJ will take the states to court like the did with Arizona over the immigration law?

Nope.

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Then that's on the owner/security as well as obviously the smoker violating the rule. I've been 25-30 feet away before and told to go out another 30 feet.
So? My point is the law is basically useless because it's never enforced. I don't care that the girl at the front desk of The Cheesecake Factory should technically be pushing people out to the parking lot.

I dont think it's useless. It probably just doesnt have as much of an effect as you would like it to, or that it intended to, primarily because of lack of enforcement. I know a lot of smokers that respect the rule even though they know that it likely wont be enforced in a given area. Im assuming if no such rule existed in the first place you'd likely get a lot more smoke near building entrances.

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weed smoke smells so much better than cigarette smoke.

take lebron, give him a joint, and have him move next to BRick. let the squatters that lived there before leave behind their heroin and meth lab. his head will explode within 30 seconds from all the rage.


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Despite the passage of ballot initiatives in Washington and Colorado legalizing recreational marijuana, "the Drug Enforcement Administration’s enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged," a DEA spokesperson told Reason this morning.

"In enacting  the Controlled Substances Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance. The Department of Justice is reviewing the ballot initiatives and we have no additional comment at this time."

The DOJ released a similarly opaque response to reporter CJ Ciaramella of the Washington Free Beacon. "The Department's enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged.  In enacting the Controlled Substances Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance. We are reviewing the ballot initiatives and have no additional comment at this time."

While there's "no comment at this time," Deputy Attorney General James Cole hinted last month at what the Obama administration's response might be.

"Each case is going to rise and fall on its own unique facts," Cole said in a 60 Minutes interview. "Any of that is still in violation of the Controlled Substances Act of the federal law. We're not interested in bothering people who are sick and are using it in the recommendation of a doctor. We are concerned with people who are using it as a pretext to become large-scale drug dealers."

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, an opponent of Amendment 64, had this to say late last night: “The voters have spoken and we have to respect their will. This will be a complicated process, but we intend to follow through. That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug so don’t break out the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly.”


So, yeah, I don't think the DEA has the resources to police pot consumption in individual states. They will be targeting the distributors, not the consumers. There's enough science available invalidating the claim that marijuana has no medical value of benefit whatsoever, which is the criteria for being a Schedule I drug, so hopefully they gradually accept that and change the federal laws.


I wonder if the DoJ will take the states to court like the did with Arizona over the immigration law?


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weed smoke smells so much better than cigarette smoke.

take lebron, give him a joint, and have him move next to BRick. let the squatters that lived there before leave behind their heroin and meth lab. his head will explode within 30 seconds from all the rage.
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Took way too long to get this done. It's completely harmless and healthy.

Not totally true.

Although THC has been shown in tests to shrink or inhibit the formation and growth of certain types of tumors (lung and hepatic, I believe), there also may be a correlation between marijuana use and mouth/salivary/throat cancer.

In addition, recent studies have shown IQ deficiencies that do not resolve in chronic users.

Like virtually everything else, it's probably safe in moderation (i.e. sporadic use may allow your body's rRNA to fix any mutations that may arise).


Science. . .

I was being sarcastic. My stance is pretty clear on this topic.

There are others here who have made the same statements though. That was the joke.

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Also, the Gub'Mint is going to have to find another way to launder black ops money if MJ is legalized on a large scale. The $200 rolls of toilet paper that show up in budget hearings would have to be adjusted down to 50 cents per roll if there was no illegal drug trade.

Lastly, the Drug companies would not allow it's legalization. Why would they want people growing their own self-medication when they could charge people for their drugs, and then make more money off of them when the drugs they give them get them sick?

They have powerful lobbyists and probably even more powerful thugs - it's gonna take a while.

It has taken awhile. It's getting to the point that they wont have a choice but to legalize it pretty soon. Same with same-sex marriage. For a couple years now approval for both has been over 50% of the country, and that number is growing every year. When it gets to over 60% of the country being in favor of them, they wont really have a choice. The classification of being Schedule I has already been proven to be bullshit. Basically, they cant really lie anymore. The drug companies wont have a choice, no matter how powerful their lobbyists are.

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So they just dont have any of those guys in Washington or Colorado?

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