Floyd at $10 is pretty close to what he's worth. You're not going to get a nice young 3b for him.

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I guess I'm just not completely convinced that Moustakas is so nice. He's okay. He has potential. But weighed against a guy who likely will give you 200 good innings with the possibility of many of them being great innings for under $10 million when you hope to contend? I'll take my chances finding some other mope to play third.

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You should take a few months off from hating on the White Sox. You'll have plenty of chances this year when the Sox intentionally lose 100 games as part of a grand plan.

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No. No no no. I don't want Tank at 3rd. He proved to actually be pretty decent as the season wore on in LF last year. You can hide bad/below average defenders in LF and get away with it (Soriano). You will get burned if you put bad/below average defender at 3rd base (Drinky Cabrera).

That's how bleak it is at 3rd base this year. Which is all the more reason why a trade for Moustakas would make a lot of sense from the White Sox perspective.

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I don't believe these rumors are true but I guess I would trade Floyd for this M guy as he would play every day.

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Playing Viciedo at third may not be a terrible idea. That would allow them to move De Aza to left then they can sign a centerfielder to a short term deal until one of the kids are ready.

OK. So they moved Viciedo from 3B a few years ago b/c he couldn't play there and now they are going to move him back? No frickin way....they are just saying that so they don't look as hard-up as they are.

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But realistically, would he be any worse at third than Cabrera? Moving Viciedo to third solves a problem. Of course it isn't a perfect solution.

This team is going to live and die with its pitching next season. I don't think a lot of you are considering how great the difference between a solid guy like Floyd and a patchwork of goofs really is. Maybe you can even get a couple guys to make the 32 starts and give you the same ERA Floyd would. I doubt it, but maybe. But they aren't going to go as deep in the games and now the bullpen is picking up more work and shit is just rolling downhill. Moving Floyd with the belief that he will be adequately replaced by Qunitana or Santiago is foolishness.

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Floyd has plenty of games each season where he can't get past the 3rd or 4th inning and that taxes the pen just as much.

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I would make the deal. Floyd isn't a top of the rotation starter. Moustakas is a young everyday player at a need position. His salary will be favorable for a while.

That isn't really true though, Frank. He's averaged about 185 innings over the past five seasons. You can do the math. Everybody has a game here or there where they get knocked out earlier.

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You are making Floyd out to be like Justin Verlander. He's not. He's just a guy who has really good stuff for a few starts a season.

in 2012, he had 5 starts where he went less than 5 innings. He had another 5 where he couldn't get thru 6 innings. Maybe a better indication of this is he had 12 starts in 2012 where he gave up 4 or more runs (he had 13 such starts in 2011). As I said, he has plenty of games where the pen is used and/or up and throwing early and often.

Another big part to a move like this is that Floyd is a free agent after this year. Is he worth $10 or $12 mil a season for the next 3 or 4 years? I say no, even if he goes out this year and wins 18 games. If you have a chance to move your teams 4th starter for an everyday player who could be a cornerstone of the franchise for a long time, you make the move.

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No, I'm not. I'm making him out to be exactly who he is. You're making him out to be an easily replaceable scrub, which he certainly isn't.

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I think a pitcher with a record of .500 give or take a game with an ERA of 4.40-4.60 is something that is fairly easily replaceable.

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A lot of guys think that, until that guy is gone and you're trying to cover his innings with Dylan Axelrod.

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If Axelrod started 29 games and went 9-11 with a 4.65 ERA I wouldn't be too upset with that.

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But now you're doing what the Cub fan does in reverse. You're assuming Floyd will repeat his worst season. The truth is that year you just described is probably far better than any Axelrod will ever have and it's a bad year for Floyd.

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What's Floyd's good year? 14-12 with a 4.20 ERA? That's something Quintana almost did last year (if it wasn't for Thornton blowing at least 3 games for him)

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Im sorry, I didn't realize posting his record was hating. With such a great GM you'd think his record would be a bright spot

I'd be willing to bet right now that Quintana never has another season as good as last year.

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Annibal Sanchez is asking for $90 million over 6 years.

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All I ask is that for every post you make in this section that you say "The White Sox won the World Series in 2005". This will keep your thoughts fair and balanced. In return, I will do the same for all my posts in the Cubs section. I will finish every post with "The Cubs won the World Series in 1908". Deal?

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Like IMU with a 9.5 or higher: I'd do it.

Doctor Ken wins the thread cuz his bernstein-approved bbref player comparison score gave us kevin orie. In 97-98 my uncle called the Orie/Blauser/Servais 1/3 of the lineup "the bermuda triangle."

In a word: apropos!

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there was a little note in the trib today with Hahn essentially saying moving salary was an option to consider. I read that as Floyd being on the block. Not sure who else has salary that could be moved.

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I will be surprised if Gavin Floyd isn't moved. They won't land back anything remarkable, but they get a mid level prospect, and they do need to clear salary.

Matt Thornton and Jessie Crain's names will probably come up often in rumors as well, I believe Thornton is heading into the last year of his deal, making about $6 million next season and Crain is somewhere in the $4 million area.

The offense does need a makeover, but I don't know how that will happen with the limited payroll flexibility they currently have. Rios is a name that could be talked about, but he still has a few years left on his deal. De Aza and Viceido's name could come up if the White Sox are looking to try and make a surprise move. I would expect Hahn to put a greater emphasis on OBP next season and there were about 5 places in the lineup last year where it was pretty unacceptable.

Thornton. Maybe Dunn.

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You are gonna get a hellava lot more in return for Floyd than you would Dunn.

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I don't think you'd get anything for Thornton. You'd have to eat half that salary.

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Yep. He was this season's Humber.

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