I'm not taking anything out of context. You asked a rhetorical question that was meant to support your argument, but unfortunately it got answered and your position was rightfully exposed as foolish.

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Yeah.

Considering he led a 95-yard game winning drive against these very guys that are saying he sucks, then, yeah, they're wrong. They have no idea if he's any good. They haven't let him play yet and their only first-hand game experience with him is Tebow handing them their ass - so evidence would indicate that he could very likely be an improvement over the worst starting QB in the league.

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Arguments are pretty easy to win when you not only get to form your own argument but the other persons. Congratulations.

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I didn't form any argument. You're backing out now because you realize how silly your position is. Here... Ill even quote you to help you out.



That's your position, and the one that Im arguing against. It's a silly position to take and can't really be logically supported.

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He's been outclassed by Sanchez in practice all year. He was exposed last year to the point that the Broncos paid a guy who had a potential career ending injury a huge amount of money, and then traded Tebow to a team that had no desire to play him at QB outside of gimmick plays.

Hopefully Tebow gets his shot in New York and you can find out again that he just isn't an NFL QB. Mark Sanchez probably isn't the answer in New York either.

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So, you're argument is that he sucks because he was replaced by Peyton Manning?

And why would the Broncos care what position he plays for the team they traded him to? Maybe they're happy he's not playing QB and potentially knocking them out of the playoffs.

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Of course it can be "logically supported". You just disagree. It's fine.

We should find out in a few weeks. If Tebow is really better than Sanchez it will be obvious.

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He sucks because the Broncos gave up on him even after his amazing play last season.
If a team was willing to play him at QB they would have payed more for him. My point is that, besides maybe Jacksonville, every other NFL team wanted nothing to do with him at QB.

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Well then why don't you logically support it? Because you haven't yet, and you're a pretty bright guy capable of supporting a legitimate side of an argument.

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Please note that I never said Tebow would be better Sanchez. My point this entire time is that they both probably suck and neither one is significantly better than the other, which is why I think the Jets players comments were dumb.

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Does Alex Smith suck? His team wanted to give up on him after his amazing season last year, because Peyton is an upgrade over all but 3-4 QBs in the league. It's not an indictment at all of the current QB that a team would covet him as a free agent.

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Yes I did. Sanchez was better last year. Sanchez dominated him in training camp, and practice. Sanchez has "all he does is win" as his calling card too. Sanchez has gone for over 250 yards in 4 out of 9 games this year. Tim Tebow has done that once in his career and it was his rookie year. Sanchez can make throws that Tebow can't dream of.

See, that is "logical support". Now, you can think it's wrong. That's fine. Don't play the "no evidence" card. We have 3 years of evidence on Tebow. He's not an NFL QB. Sanchez looks like he won't be for long either, at least in New York, but Sanchez still has a much better chance of finally figuring it out.

In conclusion, Tim Tebow sucks at throwing, which makes it hard to be a quarterback. Mark Sanchez is below average at throwing, which, makes it hard to be a good quarterback.

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Alex Smith is still with his team. They didn't give up on him.

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What other QBs were they looking at to replace him besides the greatest QB in the history of the NFL.



A 4th, a 6th, and $2.5 million isn't too bad for a guy that nobody wanted.

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Yes, but they tried to. In this context, is intention really that different than result? Both teams wanted to exchange their QB for one of greatest players of all time. Just so happens the guy chose Denver over San Francisco. There were even reports all offseason about how Alex Smith had hurt feelings because the 49ers wanted to upgrade.

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This didn't stop Minnesota, Jacksonville, and Tennessee from sticking with their young qbs. Don't try and spin Tebow's exit from Denver. It's clear they wanted him gone. Manning gave them a way out.
The Jets wanted him as a gimmick player. Just remember, this is the same organization that absolutely refuses to put him in at QB full time, so saying the Jets paid a lot for him doesn't really mean a lot.

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So you don't think Tebow is better than Sanchez?

What are you arguing then? Is it that Tebow and Sanchez are the exact same?

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That's debatable. Sanchez was slightly better throwing the ball, and threw it way more often. Tebow was way better at running the ball. I believe they had about roughly similar overall production in terms of helping their team win.


Same could be said of Kyle Orton last season, and when Tebow replaced him the team was significantly better


If that is the strength of both QBs than Sanchez didn't have a better season last year than Tebow.


Yeah, Sanchez throws the ball way more than Tebow does. Considering we both think they both suck, that's actually probably a bad thing, not a good thing.


That's not true. They both have made some pretty awesome throws in their NFL career, but both do it far too inconsistently to be considered a good QB.

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Huh? Yes, it should be fairly obvious that I am arguing that they are interchangeable and that Sanchez is not significantly better than Tebow. I've only stated it three times now.

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So you disagree. That's fine.

We'll find out when Tebow gets out there. I don't think he's better than Sanchez. You seem afraid to give an answer to that.

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They clearly wanted him gone if they could get Peyton Manning. If not, he's probably still there. That's no spin.

Ryan refuses to put him in. Likely because he's got a bunch of prima donnas, like himself, that cry to the media about him - anonymously, of course.

Back to the original issue, being worse than Peyton Manning is not proof that you are worse than Mark Sanchez...in any way in the world.

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So the difference between your thoughts and my thoughts are that you think Sanchez is not significantly better than Tebow but is probably slightly better than Tebow, and I think that Sanchez is better than Tebow?

Wow. This whole thing is worth it.

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Im not afraid to have an answer. Anyone who isn't being purposely obtuse would clearly be able to tell what my answer is. I think that they are roughly interchangable and neither one is much better than the other. They are both bad. Sanchez has proven he is bad over a longer period of time. This isn't a difficult position to comprehend.

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I'm not sure who is better. You are sure. That's the difference. If I was forced to take either QB I would take Tebow.

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What happened with Tebow is incredibly rare. I guess we'll never know what happened if Manning retired. However, keep in mind that Denver didn't have to trade Tebow. It's undeniable that the Broncos did not see a future at QB for Tebow.
Is Tebow better than Sanchez? Do you think he will outperform Sanchez when he is the starter?

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Ok. You think Tebow and Sanchez are equally bad. I think Tebow is worse than Sanchez.

This argument seems like such a waste of time then.

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Have any of our arguments ever been a productive use of time?

Good to have to you back Rick.

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Better at what? I think the team would be more successful with him at QB.

I think the team would be more successful with him at QB.

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Can you quantify what you mean? More points scored? More total yards? More wins?

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