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And what I'm saying is Bernstein is not genetically-programmed to do "Fuck you" radio. He does it now because he can and doesn't really care. He didn't do it when he hosted the Dan Patrick shows. It's something he can control and would if he had to.
He can do it in small quantities, but it's who he is now.

When he's hosting The Dan Bernstein Show on ESPN national radio and some guy from Penn State calls up saying that Joe Paterno did nothing wrong do you think he's going to be like "Thanks for your call. I politely disagree"?

I haven't listened to the DP show in awhile, but they dont really take too many phone calls, right? I dont think SVP takes any. I think Bernstein would let his feelings be known if the issue presented itself without being the over-the-top blowhard he is on CBS though. I agree that he does this right now because he can, but I think he has exhibited enough self control to know what he can and can't get away with.

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What I meant was that he would be much more low-maintenance than Mac such that he wouldn't have to be "handled." Mac has actually made enemies, not just bullied his inferiors.
Oh, but Bernstein hates ESPN. They know this. He's a terrible fit for ESPN.

That's the tough part for Bernstein. What makes him good at CBS limits his career options significantly.


Mac hated ESPN until he went there.

If for some reason he ever needed to go there, he'd be welcomed with open arms and open checkbook.


Since we speak the same language, sounds a lot like old-timey ECW and WWF ... most people that eventually jumped used to cut scathing promos (Taz in particular) about WWF, then eventually loved the money and the life for the most part.

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And what I'm saying is Bernstein is not genetically-programmed to do "Fuck you" radio. He does it now because he can and doesn't really care. He didn't do it when he hosted the Dan Patrick shows. It's something he can control and would if he had to.


He's totally blasted ESPN, it's talent and their journalistic integrity for years. Sure, he wouldn't do that if he worked for them. But ESPN 1000 is aware of his campaign against their network. So are his listeners. It's not like you can put that tooth paste back in the tube. How credible would it be if he were to work there and say "Boy, Sportscenter was great last night and I really love that Chris Berman and Stuart Scott."

Like I said, risk to reward. Bernstein could tell them he'd be tame but you don't know what he's gonna do after you sign him. They're doing fine with their vanilla broadcasters. No need to take a risk with him. The reward wouldn't be all that great if he pulled back enough to their liking. Why? Cuz that's not what Bernstein fans want. You either hire Bernsetin to be Bernstein or it's not worth hiring him.


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Like I said, risk to reward. Bernstein could tell them he'd be tame but you don't know what he's gonna do after you sign him. They're doing fine with their vanilla broadcasters. No need to take a risk with him. The reward wouldn't be all that great if he pulled back enough to their liking. Why? Cuz that's not what Bernstein fans want. You either hire Bernsetin to be Bernstein or it's not worth hiring him.

I agree with that 100%.

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Like I said, risk to reward. Bernstein could tell them he'd be tame but you don't know what he's gonna do after you sign him.


You keep restating this, but it's irrelevant. ESPN brass isn't dumb. There would obviously be contract-voiding clauses in there that would address Bernsie being Bernsie.

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Like I said, risk to reward. Bernstein could tell them he'd be tame but you don't know what he's gonna do after you sign him.


You keep restating this, but it's irrelevant. ESPN brass isn't dumb. There would obviously be contract-voiding clauses in there that would address Bernsie being Bernsie.


Well, if you would have to have a clause telling someone not to be himself, then, like I said, it's not worth hiring him. Why would you hire somebody and tell him to become somebody else. Why not just hire somebody that's comes as an ESPN type? So they wouldn't hire him. I win again. :P


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Because then the competition is gone. Duh.

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It's the partnership that spurs the ugliness. It's just beyond anything that is entertaining at this point.

It went through stages. The last stage where it was acceptable was kind of the car crash stage where you don't want to see the dead body, but you kind of do because of the residual caveman shit in your brain. This stage is actually where you turn the radio off, despite what their metrics say. Split them up and they are plenty tolerable.

And Terry really doesn't play an active role in any of this, in my mind. He just serves as reinforcement for Dan to push his activist agenda. Terry really doesn't give a shit.

I had that dynamic with a friend in jr high. That class was a failure and we treated everyone like shit. But we were teenagers...barely.

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I heard an hour of the North show a week ago Saturday. He's now "Mike North" and sounds much the same but he's a caricature of his old self. Chicago sounding, argumentative, but now talking to Cleetus from N.C., or Jim-Bob from West Virginia, while following whatever FOX allows him. Its clear that North wants "in" and is willing to pay some more dues although I doubt anyone will let him return as he once was as I don't think there are enough fresh ears locally.

I would be curious to know the "metrics" that Bernstein cited Tuesday as proof that his type of "F-U" radio works infallibly. I know WSCR's ratings are steadily better than the competition but I attribute that to ESPN being overly complacent with the product they present. When the day comes that a new "suit" comes in to shake things up (Bristol or Chicago) they will get a bump as current SCR listeners will PTFB out of curiousity or just the need to escape. Currently I think the listeners choose sports stations more out of a lack of choice as opposed to a fervent desire for the alternative, though I have to admit to switching to ESPN on Bears Monday mornings because they have a more appealing product.

As for DB's longevity, I don't think there are enough "fresh" ears to replace the one's that are leaving. He doesn't need to state listeners are "stupid for calling" more than once for me to get the message. While I know there is a respectable percentage of listeners who get their kicks out of such situations, in time the quality of callers will diminish to the point that there will be little sense of superiority by those who giggle or are amused. When Terry's retires the likely co-host will be some "too happy to be here" syncophant and then the show will go from "F-U" to just F*cked. And no, "F-U" radio doesn't sell nationally.


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Berns doing 'fuck you" radio has damaged his reputation & has pretty much guaranteed a future that looks a lot like Mike North's.

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And yes, I typed the above while listening to transition. Force of habit, and also the only part of the day where one show abandons its' overly rigid show presentation and the other has to talk about something beyond one host's rigid interpretation/indifference to what is listenable.

Doubt I'll be with this very long as Dan seems to want the NFL to close up shop as a contact sport.

On a side note Dr. Robert Cantu, who is at the forefront of CTE research, has publicly stated that youths under the age of 14 shouldn't play contact sports due to risk of head injury. That includes hockey and girls soccer.


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Berns doing 'fuck you" radio has damaged his reputation & has pretty much guaranteed a future that looks a lot like Mike North's.

This is inaccurate. You're just projecting something that you hope will happen. It won't.

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wait..so Bernstien actually said there were metrics that justified his on air demeanor? Did anyone mention to him that his show didn't come within sniffing distance of ESPN1000 for nearly a decade until Dan Mc Neil lef?. Did anyone mention that his show originated with a huge lead in ratings (created by others) over MJH and that their show quickly and consistently pissed that lead away? Did anyone mention that his show is not the top rated program at the station?

The metrics show the exact opposite of what he was trying to prove, if that is what he said.

B and B is an underperforming asset and it should be embarassing for him to ever bring metrics into an argument about the quality of his product.

I like the show. I like Bernstien on the radio. His product broadcasts to a niche audience and holds an unwarrented position in afternoons due to the inertia of Mitch.

Metrics? This is one instance where Bernstien should be arguing against numbers.

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Berns doing 'fuck you" radio has damaged his reputation & has pretty much guaranteed a future that looks a lot like Mike North's.

This is inaccurate. You're just projecting something that you hope will happen. It won't.


It will happen to Berns at an earlier age than it happened to North. The difference between Berns & North though is North had/has a lot of friends in the business, while nearly everyone thinks Berns is a DB.

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What I meant was that he would be much more low-maintenance than Mac such that he wouldn't have to be "handled." Mac has actually made enemies, not just bullied his inferiors.
Oh, but Bernstein hates ESPN. They know this. He's a terrible fit for ESPN.

That's the tough part for Bernstein. What makes him good at CBS limits his career options significantly.


Mac hated ESPN until he went there.

If for some reason he ever needed to go there, he'd be welcomed with open arms and open checkbook.


Since we speak the same language, sounds a lot like old-timey ECW and WWF ... most people that eventually jumped used to cut scathing promos (Taz in particular) about WWF, then eventually loved the money and the life for the most part.


This is why I have such a man crush on you.

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Berns doing 'fuck you" radio has damaged his reputation & has pretty much guaranteed a future that looks a lot like Mike North's.

This is inaccurate. You're just projecting something that you hope will happen. It won't.


It will happen to Berns at an earlier age than it happened to North. The difference between Berns & North though is North had/has a lot of friends in the business, while nearly everyone thinks Berns is a DB.


When did North become persona non grata at the Score? It was after he publicly ripped management. Bernsetin is too smart to ever do that. And even after that, North was still offered a contract in the low 6 figures. He refused it.

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Mully was sarcastically ribbing Bernstein about wasting his life as a sports goon after it was brought up that his cousin was a neurologist during a concussion discussion....He even declared it was a joke after the texts started in on him....I listened to the whole thing, clearly he was goofing around...

That's pretty much exactly what happened... good recap.

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Classy! :roll:

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Just like actors should never go "Full Retard" in movies


Classy! :roll:


You do realize I was referencing Tropic Thunder, right?...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTp5tvkVtnU

Bernstein, in the last year or so, has went "Full Berntein". It's a bad move. So the coversation you heard in that youtube clip will be one that Chicago Radio sports broadcasters will be having with one an other from now until the rest of time. NEVER GO FULL BERNSTEIN.

As much as we rip Larry, Goff and Drinky for trying to steal Bernstein's act, as of yet, they have not gone FULL BERNSTEIN. That being said, Bernstein just went FULL BERNSTEIN. So maybe Drinky and Goff will now think it's OK. Monkey see, monkey do as always with them. It's not OK and it's more dangerous for them to try it than the actual Bernstein. Maybe Goff will get the word and become FULL BERNSTEIN in Atlanta. :shock:

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wait..so Bernstien actually said there were metrics that justified his on air demeanor? Did anyone mention to him that his show didn't come within sniffing distance of ESPN1000 for nearly a decade until Dan Mc Neil lef?. Did anyone mention that his show originated with a huge lead in ratings (created by others) over MJH and that their show quickly and consistently pissed that lead away? Did anyone mention that his show is not the top rated program at the station?

The metrics show the exact opposite of what he was trying to prove, if that is what he said.

B and B is an underperforming asset and it should be embarassing for him to ever bring metrics into an argument about the quality of his product.

I like the show. I like Bernstien on the radio. His product broadcasts to a niche audience and holds an unwarrented position in afternoons due to the inertia of Mitch.

Metrics? This is one instance where Bernstien should be arguing against numbers.


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Mully was sarcastically ribbing Bernstein about wasting his life as a sports goon after it was brought up that his cousin was a neurologist during a concussion discussion....He even declared it was a joke after the texts started in on him....I listened to the whole thing, clearly he was goofing around...

That's pretty much exactly what happened... good recap.


It's funny that Mully feels comfortable enough to "joke around" like that when he's so fucking thin-skinned he goes into full-on feud mode when someone gives him a little tweak about his obsession with Great Britain.

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I don't buy the idea that Dan couldn't do a national show or make the switch to ESPN. He's a crafty little bastage. He tows the corporate line and would easily be able to work under the umbrella of the Mouse. Don't forget Mac worked there for around eight years and was often critical of ESPN employees and was suspended on several occasions and still managed to be employed. I believe he was only let go because of a money issue. You think Bernstein would be that controversial? Fuck no. He doesn't mock current co-workers; just the former ones like Murph and North. The guy really only goes after easy targets and piles on a story well after it's been saturated in the media. What's shocking about calling out Penn St after a child sex abuse scandal or tearing down Lance Armstrong's image when there is fuckloads of evidence showing he cheated?

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I don't buy the idea that Dan couldn't do a national show or make the switch to ESPN. He's a crafty little bastage. He tows the corporate line and would easily be able to work under the umbrella of the Mouse. Don't forget Mac worked there for around eight years and was often critical of ESPN employees and was suspended on several occasions and still managed to be employed. I believe he was only let go because of a money issue. You think Bernstein would be that controversial? Fuck no. He doesn't mock current co-workers; just the former ones like Murph and North. The guy really only goes after easy targets and piles on a story well after it's been saturated in the media. What's shocking about calling out Penn St after a child sex abuse scandal or tearing down Lance Armstrong's image when there is fuckloads of evidence showing he cheated?

I agree with everything up until the Armstrong example. They did not jump on the Armstrong bandwagon. They've been calling this guy out for being a phony since about 2004 - before the scandals came out. For years, they were the lone dissenting voices on him and were constantly shouted down by his supporters.

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I don't buy the idea that Dan couldn't do a national show or make the switch to ESPN. He's a crafty little bastage. He tows the corporate line and would easily be able to work under the umbrella of the Mouse. Don't forget Mac worked there for around eight years and was often critical of ESPN employees and was suspended on several occasions and still managed to be employed. I believe he was only let go because of a money issue. You think Bernstein would be that controversial? Fuck no. He doesn't mock current co-workers; just the former ones like Murph and North. The guy really only goes after easy targets and piles on a story well after it's been saturated in the media. What's shocking about calling out Penn St after a child sex abuse scandal or tearing down Lance Armstrong's image when there is fuckloads of evidence showing he cheated?


Eh, ESPN already has a Colin Cowherd type.

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Dan went after North plenty hard when he was at the Score, actually. Remember "Best of the Best"?

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You guys are missing the flip side of it. Dan is nothing special if he's just becoming another mindless ESPN drone. ESPN could pick from 100s of other people who would do it better and cheaper. The whole arrogant, obnoxious, and obsessive personality that Dan has is what makes him what he is, and normally leads to good radio.

Of course Dan could act like he's just a normal guy and fit in enough at ESPN but he'd also be decidedly average at it. ESPN is filled with guys who fill that role. There are probably two or three guys at ESPN 1000 that would be better than Bernstein right now.

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You guys are missing the flip side of it. Dan is nothing special if he's just becoming another mindless ESPN drone. ESPN could pick from 100s of other people who would do it better and cheaper. The whole arrogant, obnoxious, and obsessive personality that Dan has is what makes him what he is, and normally leads to good radio.

Of course Dan could act like he's just a normal guy and fit in enough at ESPN but he'd also be decidedly average at it. ESPN is filled with guys who fill that roll. There are probably two or three guys at ESPN 1000 that would be better than Bernstein right now.


I think Rongey and McKnight would be better at it.

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You guys are missing the flip side of it. Dan is nothing special if he's just becoming another mindless ESPN drone. ESPN could pick from 100s of other people who would do it better and cheaper. The whole arrogant, obnoxious, and obsessive personality that Dan has is what makes him what he is, and normally leads to good radio.

Of course Dan could act like he's just a normal guy and fit in enough at ESPN but he'd also be decidedly average at it. ESPN is filled with guys who fill that role. There are probably two or three guys at ESPN 1000 that would be better than Bernstein right now.


Silvy and ?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You guys are missing the flip side of it. Dan is nothing special if he's just becoming another mindless ESPN drone. ESPN could pick from 100s of other people who would do it better and cheaper. The whole arrogant, obnoxious, and obsessive personality that Dan has is what makes him what he is, and normally leads to good radio.

Of course Dan could act like he's just a normal guy and fit in enough at ESPN but he'd also be decidedly average at it. ESPN is filled with guys who fill that role. There are probably two or three guys at ESPN 1000 that would be better than Bernstein right now.


Silvy and ?
Waddle. Maybe Carmen, but I don't think I've listened to MJH since the day Mac went off the air there.

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