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[quote="Seacrest"]I think millions of people noticed.

Who you crappin. Thursday afternoons 5:00.

I have called nobody a name. You are saying that Republicans care about the debt. I am showing through actual numbers that you care about it only when it's not your guy running it up.

I will take the rest of your ramblings as your way of saying that what I posted was factual and you really have no comeback other than to act like a baby.

I don't have a guy. And two political parties brought us to this point.

You are apparently unable to communicate about politics and many other subjects without pointing fingers and calling people fucktards.

Your the "divide and weaken and call people names guy here". Embrace it. It's not anything that anyone is going to fight you for.

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You and i won't get back what we currently pay in to it.

Why should Bill Gates be any different?

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Seacrest. You just accused me of pointing fingers and being the divide and weaken and call names. While quoting your own post saying the only people that noticed the debt are called Republicans.

Do you even bother to read what you posted 8 lines ago?

Whoever made the post in here about sending the kids to their rooms was dead on. We were having a good conversation and then Seacrest and FreeDumb happened. Ok so the kids and the elderly are back. Can the adults get back to talking.

Removing the cap would hurt a lot of people that don't come close to having the money Bill Gates has. I suspect we'll see some sort or millionaires tax or means testing soon. The smart thing to do would be to raise the retirement age slightly in addition to means testing.

If you are talking S.S. reform or even state level pension reform the conversation has to start with turning them back into trust funds that cannot be accessed by governments. If the barn door is open and wolves are getting in and eating your cattle, well, you should shut the barn door first.

Start there and then move on to the next stage.

That's the problem. They tried that. Congress voted it down.....

No. Nas explained it just fine. I was just listing something that would solve the problem. I really have no solution to the issue.

It's sad but funny at the same time. It's like stealing from your kids penny bank to gamble and then constantly promising that you will return the money. To vote that down is an admission that they plan on continuing to throw IOU's inside the penny bank.

I know....I'm just sayin'.

Sad isn't it? They can't even vote for something that would have gone a long way to fixing a huge problem. They couldn't vote to stop stealing. That says it all right there.

A good start would be:

-Turn it back into a trust fund.
-End the payroll tax cut
-Give people of a certain age the option to opt out.
-Maybe means test, but the program was meant for all citizens so if you means test it would become a welfare program. I don't like that.
-Raise the retirement age.

If you can mandate health care, can't you mandate a 401K?

The govt. can mandate everything and anything, really.

If things get bad enough they will go after your 401k's/retirement plans, if things continue as is it will be only a matter of time.

Well, they couldn't really go after your 401K unless they tax it because it is in your name controlled by you. The law would be that you have to fund it every paycheck.

The problem with "reforming" entitlements is that I have a feeling the burden will come from the same people affected by higher income taxes. For example, if they remove the SS salary cap, or means test the benefits, they can say they are reducing spending but in reality they are fucking the same people. Likewise, if they reduce payments to doctors treating Medicare patients, those doctors are also the ones paying the highest income taxes.

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Most people think that the cash for SS is in the bank making the system solvent.

Most people don't realize that they are now paying more into SS than they will ever receive.

Most people don't know to what extent US banks have been forced to buy up some of the federal debt.

We haven't even seen the beginning of the issues that are coming with state unfunded pension obligations.

Most people will still be asleep about it all when the feds issues fall on all of us.

Most people will re-hear the term "to big to fail"

One person will be on a street corner hollering that it's all Ronald Reagan's fault.

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And if they can mandate that you must pay into a 401k, could they not mandate what the 401k is comprised off? Or you get to keep your own 401k but have to fund another govt. mandated 401k via tax and the govt. mandates part of that 401k be U.S. treasury bonds?

I'm just spit-balling, but it is food for thought.

Exactly. The philosophy of "that's not that much in the grand scheme of things" is exactly why we're in the mess the US is in. Far too many "not too much" grants/subsisdies/pet projects.

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Elections have consequences.

This guy is one of the great mosquitos attracted to the light of the camera!

and he will say whatever is the best thing to be said at that time, then will form a committee to follow up on it, use your tax dollars to hire his friends and Durbin has addressed the issue. NEXT

And I have seen this show played out time after time.

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Good thread.

Durbin does LOVE the camera

His people would see him on TV and say "cha ching"

"The Business of Politics"

You give a nice donation and suddenly you appear on a commission! which you get paid for....or you end up on the Board for the ILL SPORTS FACILITY AUTHORITY...or you used to...

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”