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Bernsy is unintentionally hilarious when he tries to sound like a critically thinking smart fan. I've noticed he's been increasingly using, "pointing out the mike backer" in football questions/conversations.

I may be missing something but is pointing out Brian Urlacher or Patrick Willis pre-snap a complex task?


I assume he's talking about the Mike from the offense's perspective, in which you're thinking of it backwards. When the QB identifies the Mike, he's just pointing out the unblocked defender and sliding the protection accordingly. From the QB's perspective, the Mike isn't necessarily a middle linebacker (or any linebacker, for that matter); he's just the defender who's unaccounted-for by whatever blocking scheme was called. Identifying the Mike allows the extra defender to be picked up, usually by the center or RB.

All that said, if Bernstein is using the term "pointing out the Mike backer," he's completely wrong, since the Mike could just as easily be a blitzing defensive back. And more to the point, you're right that there's no media personality more enthralled by his own rudimentary football knowledge than Bernstein.


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Sorry Mrs. Berto, you're no longer important enough to have your name on our practice facility. There's too much money on the table.

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Anti-semite.

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Whenever they talked about the Berto Center, I heard it as Birdo, the egg-spitting miniboss from Super Mario Brothers 2. If it means I don't hear this in my head when David Schuster talks, maybe just calling it "the Athletico Athletic Center" or whatever will be for the best.

Incidentally, why are they saying they don't know where it will be? Isn't it supposed to be somewhere around the United Center to help develop the neighborhood they want to invent there?

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I assume he's talking about the Mike from the offense's perspective, in which you're thinking of it backwards. When the QB identifies the Mike, he's just pointing out the unblocked defender and sliding the protection accordingly. From the QB's perspective, the Mike isn't necessarily a middle linebacker (or any linebacker, for that matter); he's just the defender who's unaccounted-for by whatever blocking scheme was called. Identifying the Mike allows the extra defender to be picked up, usually by the center or RB.

All that said, if Bernstein is using the term "pointing out the Mike backer," he's completely wrong, since the Mike could just as easily be a blitzing defensive back. And more to the point, you're right that there's no media personality more enthralled by his own rudimentary football knowledge than Bernstein.

Yea, he seems to say "mike backer", which confused me since I thought pointing out any blizter would be more important. Thanks for the breakdown. That was good stuff.


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I assume he's talking about the Mike from the offense's perspective, in which you're thinking of it backwards. When the QB identifies the Mike, he's just pointing out the unblocked defender and sliding the protection accordingly. From the QB's perspective, the Mike isn't necessarily a middle linebacker (or any linebacker, for that matter); he's just the defender who's unaccounted-for by whatever blocking scheme was called. Identifying the Mike allows the extra defender to be picked up, usually by the center or RB.

All that said, if Bernstein is using the term "pointing out the Mike backer," he's completely wrong, since the Mike could just as easily be a blitzing defensive back. And more to the point, you're right that there's no media personality more enthralled by his own rudimentary football knowledge than Bernstein.

Yea, he seems to say "mike backer", which confused me since I thought pointing out any blizter would be more important. Thanks for the breakdown. That was good stuff.


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Zack and his stupid stats. :roll: They mean nothing!!!!

Bears are 56-20, under Lovie, when they have a half time lead. Means nothing. That's probably the NFL average. But, obvioulsly, it's closer to 50-50 if the half time lead is 3 points or less. Ya know, stuff like that matters. You can't just say "half time lead".

Zack also said the Bears are 26-9, under Lovie, when they have a 100 yard rusher. So what? I'll bet in some of those games they were +3 or +4 in the turnover battle. Which would be more of a reason why they won, not the 100 yard rusher. Plus a lot of times you get a 100 rusher in garbage time of a game cuz you're blowing them out. So the trivial accomplishment of picking up 100 yards in garbage time means nothing to winning the game. :roll:

Zack doesn't understand this sort of thing despite Bernstein's attempt to explain it. He just gets this stats from websites and throws them out there thinking people will think he's a good researcher or something.


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Black Psyisist shotgunned for second week in a row!! Take the hint dude. :lol:

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You guys see what Zack does when Bernstein is embarrasing him? He talks over him, gets long-winded and eventually changes the subject to get Bernstein off his back. He hates when Bernstein scolds him on football talk. It's a crushing blow to Zack's pride.


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Wouldn't you in a similar situation? Dan's been fucking with Zaidman for years and I'm sure Zach is tired of it by this point. I know Dan can't help it. Who could? Zach is a such a shill for the Bears that he's an easy target to mock.

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Wouldn't you in a similar situation? Dan's been fucking with Zaidman for years and I'm sure Zach is tired of it by this point. I know Dan can't help it. Who could? Zach is a such a shill for the Bears that he's an easy target to mock.


Sure. I understand it. B&B have been pissing on Zack for years. There was one time last year where Zack proudly said "I have the gift of gab" when talking about why women like him. To which Terry responded, "That's good, cuz you certainly weren't given the gift of face." That one really pissed off Zack.

What I don't understand is how Zack hasn't learned that some of his stats are meaningless. It's not the first time Bernstein has explained to him that some of his stats are irrellevant. He should drop his pride and actually listen to Bernstein when he explains that you need to compare Bears stats to the over all league to determine if they mean anything.


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Wouldn't you in a similar situation? Dan's been fucking with Zaidman for years and I'm sure Zach is tired of it by this point. I know Dan can't help it. Who could? Zach is a such a shill for the Bears that he's an easy target to mock.


This is my feeling as well. I've gotten really sick of the hysterically self-righteous tone that's come to dominate the show, but Zach is such a craven lickspittle that in his case, I'll gladly make an exception.

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Dave In Champaign wrote:
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Wouldn't you in a similar situation? Dan's been fucking with Zaidman for years and I'm sure Zach is tired of it by this point. I know Dan can't help it. Who could? Zach is a such a shill for the Bears that he's an easy target to mock.


This is my feeling as well. I've gotten really sick of the hysterically self-righteous tone that's come to dominate the show, but Zach is such a craven lickspittle that in his case, I'll gladly make an exception.


Yeah. I don't mind them giving it to Zack. They're actually are less mean to him than they used to be. I think Zack cried to Mitch about it.


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There was one time last year where Zack proudly said "I have the gift of gab" when talking about why women like him. To which Terry responded, "That's good, cuz you certainly weren't given the gift of face."

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Wouldn't you in a similar situation? Dan's been fucking with Zaidman for years and I'm sure Zach is tired of it by this point. I know Dan can't help it. Who could? Zach is a such a shill for the Bears that he's an easy target to mock.
Zach should start doing some real reporting. This was probably building since Zach announced on the air he knew more about the Rachal situation but couldn't say anything else.

That's what I can't stand about Zaidman. He intentionally withholds any useful information so he can be close enough to the Bears to get useful information. That does nothing for the audience. Nothing is gained. If he's just going to repeat publicly available information then he's useless.

I just have a massive problem with the major conflict of interest Zaidman chooses to have with Bears All Access. He's not a real reporter if he's hiding information to protect the Bears.

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Wouldn't you in a similar situation? Dan's been fucking with Zaidman for years and I'm sure Zach is tired of it by this point. I know Dan can't help it. Who could? Zach is a such a shill for the Bears that he's an easy target to mock.
Zach should start doing some real reporting. This was probably building since Zach announced on the air he knew more about the Rachal situation but couldn't say anything else.

That's what I can't stand about Zaidman. He intentionally withholds any useful information so he can be close enough to the Bears to get useful information. That does nothing for the audience. Nothing is gained. If he's just going to repeat publicly available information then he's useless.

I just have a massive problem with the major conflict of interest Zaidman chooses to have with Bears All Access. He's not a real reporter if he's hiding information to protect the Bears.


But that type of "reporting" is a staple of the B&b show in general. So much so that it's become a joke on the pages of this forum. From Terry telling you he knew something weeks ago after a real reporter breaks a story to dan spouting just enough innuendo to interest the listener without ever providing a payoff. Just last week I heard dan interview one of the football "experts" (I don't remember who, but it wasn't Zach) and he was intimating he knew the whole Rachal story and subtly attempting to get the other guy to spill it. When they guy wouldn't bite- and maybe he just didn't know- dan let it go.

I see this as real cowardice coming from bernstein, a guy who doesn't depend on the goodwill of athletes or organizations for his living. Zach knows where his bread is buttered. I can't criticize him for being a professional. I just wouldn't call him a reporter.

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But that type of "reporting" is a staple of the B&b show in general. So much so that it's become a joke on the pages of this forum. From Terry telling you he knew something weeks ago after a real reporter breaks a story to dan spouting just enough innuendo to interest the listener without ever providing a payoff. Just last week I heard dan interview one of the football "experts" (I don't remember who, but it wasn't Zach) and he was intimating he knew the whole Rachal story and subtly attempting to get the other guy to spill it. When they guy wouldn't bite- and maybe he just didn't know- dan let it go.
Good point. Dan is a good case study for the concept of "projection" where he is able to call out reporters for not asking the tough questions as a way to cope with how he is unwilling to do the same. The same is probably true for white people in sports. It sounds like he was very desirous of being good at sports, going so far as to bragging about dunking tennis balls after using special shoes. His failure to be an athlete is explained easily by saying that white people can't play.

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I see this as real cowardice coming from bernstein, a guy who doesn't depend on the goodwill of athletes or organizations for his living. Zach knows where his bread is buttered. I can't criticize him for being a professional. I just wouldn't call him a reporter.

This is my thought as well.
1. Zach has more to gain professionally being employed as a sideline reporter and host of Bears All Access than Score Bears reporter. He's doing the smart thing not risking those two gigs for 3 daily 10 minute segments for 16 weeks. He's awful at the "reporter" thing but I don't blame him.
2. Zach's been a Bears "reporter" for at least 4 years I think. Bernstein knows his deal and should pick a lane. He's not going to change being a mouthpiece. Either let him say his piece and move on or turf him like Mac did if you believe the reports provide no value.
3. I don't blame Zach for the stupid title. The Score loves adding the reporter title to anyone remotely associated with a team.


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Since the inception of WSCR, who was the Bears insider that went to J-School? I would be curious to know who has been the consensus best insider as they all have had their shortcomings (most notably not being journalists)? Some of the observations made by this board are quite astute. There not only is a "pack" mentality when covering the Bears and the need to tread lightly is not just with the athletes and coaches but also the other "professionals" who cover the team.

What is a most tedious listen is a Dan Bernstein trying to ask the very questions he never had the stones to ask when he covered the team, or a Danny Mac wanting to talk over or dismiss the bulk of the content at the expense of that rare or unique nugget of information that can be conveyed. The WWL is not perfect but this local CBS outlet is more content to sit back and critique the errors made in their reporting or coverage while repeating the bulk of what they present. Yet looking to proclaim being "first" at every opportunity.


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It sounds like he was very desirous of being good at sports, going so far as to bragging about dunking tennis balls after using special shoes. His failure to be an athlete is explained easily by saying that white people can't play.


That reminds me, does OKC have this one in the vault to put up on the YouTube channel at some point in the future? I missed the glory of Jimmy, er, Dan's "special shoes" talk when it first happened.

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Good point. Dan is a good case study for the concept of "projection" where he is able to call out reporters for not asking the tough questions as a way to cope with how he is unwilling to do the same. The same is probably true for white people in sports. It sounds like he was very desirous of being good at sports, going so far as to bragging about dunking tennis balls after using special shoes. His failure to be an athlete is explained easily by saying that white people can't play.



This was never more true than when they "interviewed" Warren Moon last evening. They went through all this crap on race and Dan asserts that you can't / shouldn't make presumptions etc. on a players race. This from Mr. White Guys Can't Play! LMAO WYC?

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It sounds like he was very desirous of being good at sports, going so far as to bragging about dunking tennis balls after using special shoes. His failure to be an athlete is explained easily by saying that white people can't play.


That reminds me, does OKC have this one in the vault to put up on the YouTube channel at some point in the future? I missed the glory of Jimmy, er, Dan's "special shoes" talk when it first happened.

No, I don't have the tennis ball dunking conversation. I didn't really find it all that interesting originally so I didn't rack it.

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This was never more true than when they "interviewed" Warren Moon last evening. They went through all this crap on race and Dan asserts that you can't / shouldn't make presumptions etc. on a players race. This from Mr. White Guys Can't Play! LMAO WYC?


YES. If you did not hear this you should go back and listen....it must have been around 4:30. Berns went on this long elaborate explanation about how he never judges anyone by skin color or physical attributes, etc. Real earnest like. What a fucking joke!

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Zack is an ass kisser of the highest order with the Bears, and I don't think he has to be that way. So what if he's buddy-buddy with the players if it doesn't produce any "inside stories". I also never hear Red ask any questions during the Lovie Smith, Cutler pressers, nor does he ask any questions post practice. Maybe he asks questions in the locker room after games but I've never heard or seen it. So in other words, what is he doing other than standing and smiling on the sidelines, and spewing meaningless stats and trends to B&B?


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