One game to win and you have a choice between Aikman and Cutler as qb. Who you going to pick?

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Ahhh not so sure bout. That...in am confident romo. Could have thrown the ball 18 times a game n let the o line and d line do their thing......aikman all day over cutlercutler.

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It's not pointless. It paints a picture of a QB compared to those in the past. It paints the picture that despite not being perfect or elite, he's actually good at football.


What records does Alex Smith hold?

It's much better to compare him to current QB's. Otherwise, we get into a dangerous situation where Jay Cutler is not only the best Bears QB ever, but he may be better than Joe Montana.

So, why don't you answer the question about what three QB's Cutler is most similar to right now? You think I'm overrating how good people think he is. Help me out. Who are his closest peers in the NFL right now?

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I legitimately have no idea what this means. Are you asking me to explain DYAR and DVOA?

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What records does Alex Smith have?


I don't like comparing QBs, there are far too many factors and I don't have a good way to do so. I wouldn't take Cutler over Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Brady, Ryan, that's for sure. In no sense is he elite, but he's good enough to be a starting NFL QB.

To me, it's more interesting to discuss QBs relative to the quality of their offensive line. Are there any publications that rank lines in-season? I would guess almost all of the QBs ranked ahead of Cutler, also have better ranking offensive lines.

What? You are the one that said this:"I don't think bears fans think he is as good as you think they think he is." Well, explain to me how good Bears fans think he is. I want to know. Change my perception.

I know why you won't. You know where Cutler ranks among NFL QB's. At this point, you have to make a lot of excuses to even get him into the top 15.
That's not interesting at all. It's just excuse making.

There comes a point, when you have a sample size that spans multiple teams, coaches, offensive lines, and receivers, when you can stop the excuses. It's becoming painfully obvious that the "pro bowl season" of Cutler was not representative of him as much as the other seasons are.

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I explained that lots of Bears fans want him gone, and have wanted him gone. That means a lot think he sucks. I don't think he sucks.

It's VERY interesting Rick, it just doesn't serve your purpose. Find out for me, you care a lot about this. Do the work.




What records does Alex Smith have?

What? YOU SAID IT!

Most game winning drives in a single season: 6 (2011)[57]
Most 4th quarter comeback wins in a single season: 6 (2011)[57]
Fewest interceptions in a single season: 5 in 2011 (16 starts) [57]
Most consecutive pass attempts without an interception: 249 (previous record: 184, by Steve Young)[58][59]

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Those records are really odd. Figured you were implying TDs, yards or something more relevant. The first two are cool, the last two are because they didn't trust him to make any throws.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... -rankings/

This is older, so it doesn't even take in to account some of the horrible games and injuries. Pretty much as I expected. All of the QBs who are definitively better than Cutler have definitively better offensive lines. I wonder if there is a correlation?

I have never understood the Matt Ryan love. Jay Cutler would trounce his stats in that offense.

We can't live in hypotheticals. We must live in actual happenings, unless it involves Cutler making the Pro Bowl.

Yeah, Ryan could never touch Cutler's INT numbers. Never.

Ryan has 1 more INT this season, FWIW.

You asked for what the answer was. I gave it. It is done to show that citing "franchise records" without context is meaningless. You don't need to explain why some of them are meaningless. All of them are pretty meaningless.
Of course a better offensive line helps a QB. The problem is that we can look at Cutler with different teams, coaches, offensive lines, WR cores, running backs. He was pretty good for exactly one season. He's been average at best the rest, and below average this year.

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Didn't he just throw 6 INTs in a game?

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Cutler has been injured.

Bears play the Packers, so Cutler will definitely attempt to tie that record or beat it. He is always stellar against the Packers.

I have no problem giving Cutler all the credit he deserves for his pro bowl if we also give him the deserved credit for his play since.

It's not like I'm the one playing the hypothetically elite card for him now.

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He's also attempted 165 more passes.

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I am flat out stating I don't think he is elite. Period. So what are you even arguing at this point?

He gets the credit for the play! Just listen to the radio, and read the MBs. Lots of fans hate him. Lots of fans have hated him since day 1. You have this fictional thought in your head that fans think he is elite. No one thinks that, or is even arguing it! Stop playing imaginary CSFMB.

Jay Cutler is not elite.

He is also not so bad that you cut him today.

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You wouldn't cut him? DEFEND WHY HE IS BETTER THAN AARON RODGERS.

I apologize. I want to rectify my misconception. Can you please, in some way, put him in context to other QB's in the league? This will help me greatly.

This is what annoys me about the whole Cutler thing. People like you will make every excuse in the book for him and even in a game when he basically throws two pick 6's, you say he was "really really good today." It is just hard to follow.

Deep down, I think you do think he's elite. You just know how ludicrous that sounds, so you refuse to actually share your real feelings, and instead use the standard "Well, he's not Aaron Rodgers" which leaves you a massive area. I will ask once again to name the three NFL QB's he's closest to in the NFL. This will help me to understand you better.

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Look at Brick, judging what someone feels "deep down"

Deep down Brick dreams of Cutler dying in a tractor accident.

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Why are you laughing at this? You started the thread with that insane premise.



Or at least he gets gonorrhea from riding the tractor, RFDC.

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So, just to be clear, you think that I want them to cut Jay Cutler today?

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Context: he is not an elite QB. He is an NFL quarterback. If he was a free agent, he would be highly courted by several teams.


Here is a basic premise: you put that first INT on Cutler. This goes back to him getting too much blame. He threw a perfect throw. It was a timing route. The WR slipped. Is that Jay's fault? Unlike you knowing how I apparently think, he can't know that he is going to slip after the ball is thrown. Jay gets the INT. But does he deserve the blame for the play?

And on the second. Horrible throw. Definitely Jay's fault, and he admitted it too in the post game. But that's not end of story. Why are the Bears throwing on 3rd and less than one? Why are they in shotgun nonetheless? Jay deserves the majority of the blame. The throw was bad. But that doesn't mean everything else on the play was "correct."


Rick, we get it. You're butthurt your BFF Orton is a backup. I promise you this, if Cutler is cut, he won't be a backup. So if you want me to rank Jay... JAY > ORKMAN.

Probably, but I really couldn't care less one way or the other about what you think the Bears should do, GM Rick.

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