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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:33 pm 
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What if Jason Campbell was white?

Just thinking that.

There would be an uproar for him to start

I don't think so. We've seen Jason Campbell play this year. Nobody wants to see him back in there.

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I want cambell. In there...bears lose out is better in the long run,and cutler will get hurt again this season...

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A lot of not-so-thinly-veiled racism in this thread. Most of it unsurprisingly from Beardown. :|

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FavreFan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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What if Jason Campbell was white?

Just thinking that.

There would be an uproar for him to start

I don't think so. We've seen Jason Campbell play this year. Nobody wants to see him back in there.

The one garbage td alone would be enough..

This town wanted Caleb Hanie at one point.


312, my angle is simply that there would be different treatment. Shorter leash.


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Got a feeling Santa Claus would not be his home town. Could be wrong though, never been there....

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Ehh I guess there could have been a dozen or so turds who thought hanie was an upgrade....the reason I love sports is race should never be an issue...wins matter nothing else.

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Ehh I guess there could have been a dozen or so turds who thought hanie was an upgrade....the reason I love sports is race should never be an issue...wins matter nothing else.

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Yeah, there is probably less perfect prejudice in sports but its still there.

I just started thinking about what false narratives that are applied to black players (especially QBS) would Cutler be getting crushed with if he were black.


Cutler is a lot like Leftwich talen wise


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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
A lot of not-so-thinly-veiled racism in this thread. Most of it unsurprisingly from Beardown. :|


Does that include me? If not, how can I join? :P

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Don Tiny wrote:
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A lot of not-so-thinly-veiled racism in this thread. Most of it unsurprisingly from Beardown. :|


Does that include me? If not, how can I join? :P

He said "thinly"


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Cam Newton has been treated like absolute shit by the national media for far lesser transgressions.

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Can Newton is a dbag ..just like cutler..and treated as such....and the media wants to blow rg3 and russ. Wilson...what is yourpoint?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
A lot of not-so-thinly-veiled racism in this thread. Most of it unsurprisingly from Beardown. :|


Does that include me? If not, how can I join? :P

He said "thinly"


You bastard ..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

(although he said not-so-thinly, so in actuality the joke doesn't work in this instance ... excellent effort though)

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The national media would have been all over him years ago for not playing up to the level of his physical tools. Even though he went to a great school they would question his level of intelligence. That and his attitude would be the talking points of why he isn't a top 5 QB when all the tools are there.


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What if Cutler were black; counterfactuals are in the subjunctive

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He would have already received another contract extension.


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The national media would have been all over him years ago for not playing up to the level of his physical tools. Even though he went to a great school they would question his level of intelligence. That and his attitude would be the talking points of why he isn't a top 5 QB when all the tools are there.

I hardly ever hear people talk about Cam's intelligence or lack there of. I doubt if he was black he would be getting treated much differently. He would probably have a few less apologists. He's already seen as an underachieving bad teammate with attitude problems. I doubt there'd be much to add to the narrative if his skin color changed.

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I hardly ever hear people talk about Cam's intelligence or lack there of. I doubt if he was black he would be getting treated much differently. He would probably have a few less apologists. He's already seen as an underachieving bad teammate with attitude problems. I doubt there'd be much to add to the narrative if his skin color changed.


Hub Arkush (& others) constantly talk about Newton's lack of "feel" or "understanding" :wink: for playing quarterback. He/they constantly claim that many insiders grumble that he doesn't do the extra work that "good/great" QBs do, but never seemingly can cite their impeccable sources backing up that position (but then crucify the unnamed Jets who roast the weekly target of the week in that franchise). :roll:

I think the politically correct version is to now describe just how little of a "pocket passer" Newton is, because God knows the only "real" QBs are pocket passers the overwhelming majority of the time. I won't even get into how eager many are to negatively describe his body language or dissect the specific wording of his responses in press conferences. (Despite the amazing similarities in his game & "statements" and those of say Steve Young or Elway in their second years)

Of course the fallback is to call him a poor leader. Despite his youth, possibly poor coaching and odd play selection...

But in fairness, Newton is getting the kid glove treatment now compared to what he would have gotten 15-20 years ago. So I guess there's that "win". 8)

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I think the Newton hate is influenced by everyone assuming he took money to play at Auburn, despite the NCAA finding nothing which proved that allegation to be true when they investigated Auburn.

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I hardly ever hear people talk about Cam's intelligence or lack there of. I doubt if he was black he would be getting treated much differently. He would probably have a few less apologists. He's already seen as an underachieving bad teammate with attitude problems. I doubt there'd be much to add to the narrative if his skin color changed.


Hub Arkush (& others) constantly talk about Newton's lack of "feel" or "understanding" :wink: for playing quarterback. He/they constantly claim that many insiders grumble that he doesn't do the extra work that "good/great" QBs do, but never seemingly can cite their impeccable sources backing up that position (but then crucify the unnamed Jets who roast the weekly target of the week in that franchise). :roll:

I think the politically correct version is to now describe just how little of a "pocket passer" Newton is, because God knows the only "real" QBs are pocket passers the overwhelming majority of the time. I won't even get into how eager many are to negatively describe his body language or dissect the specific wording of his responses in press conferences. (Despite the amazing similarities in his game & "statements" and those of say Steve Young or Elway in their second years)

Of course the fallback is to call him a poor leader. Despite his youth, possibly poor coaching and odd play selection...

But in fairness, Newton is getting the kid glove treatment now compared to what he would have gotten 15-20 years ago. So I guess there's that "win". 8)

Hub is one of the most mocked media members on this site, and in general from what I can tell. I dont really listen to anything he has to say, so I'll trust you're right on that. I think anyone, including the Jets players, who won't put their name behind a criticism is a coward.

Cam does get destroyed for his body language and press sound bites, just like Jay Cutler does. Not sure if Cam also gets criticized for not saying hi to people when entering the stadium.

I dont mind people calling him a poor leader. He's earned that so far. He's earned a lot of the criticism he's gotten so far. Mainly I hear him criticized for not being a leader, body language, and petty stuff like calling a female reporter sweetheart. I dont really hear too many people say he lacks understanding of the QB position, and I'd agree that would probably be code for he's not smart enough to play QB. Overall, I dont feel Cam gets criticized significantly more than what is warranted. Same with Cutler.

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Black Cutler already played in this league. His name was Vince Evans. Powerful arm,great athlete,decent QB,no great career moments.

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I think the Newton hate is influenced by everyone assuming he took money to play at Auburn, despite the NCAA finding nothing which proved that allegation to be true when they investigated Auburn.
His dad was shopping him to the highest bidder. That is proven.

I'm sure he just decided "I'll go to Auburn for free!" though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I think the Newton hate is influenced by everyone assuming he took money to play at Auburn, despite the NCAA finding nothing which proved that allegation to be true when they investigated Auburn.
His dad was shopping him to the highest bidder. That is proven.

I'm sure he just decided "I'll go to Auburn for free!" though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I think the Newton hate is influenced by everyone assuming he took money to play at Auburn, despite the NCAA finding nothing which proved that allegation to be true when they investigated Auburn.
His dad was shopping him to the highest bidder. That is proven.

I'm sure he just decided "I'll go to Auburn for free!" though.





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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Zizou wrote:
I think the Newton hate is influenced by everyone assuming he took money to play at Auburn, despite the NCAA finding nothing which proved that allegation to be true when they investigated Auburn.
His dad was shopping him to the highest bidder. That is proven.

I'm sure he just decided "I'll go to Auburn for free!" though.

That's the effect a talk with Gene Chizik will have on a young man...


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Zizou wrote:
I think the Newton hate is influenced by everyone assuming he took money to play at Auburn, despite the NCAA finding nothing which proved that allegation to be true when they investigated Auburn.
His dad was shopping him to the highest bidder. That is proven.

I'm sure he just decided "I'll go to Auburn for free!" though.


Even further, Auburn has averaged one NCAA violation from its football program every three years for about the last 80 years. I'm sure they just decided it was time to change their program climate.

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