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I would like to know why a mom in suburban CT needs a gun like this:

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Do you need everything you own?
What a silly question to ask... Did she need it?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:43 pm 
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Not saying she shouldn't have it. Just curious as to why she'd want it.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:48 pm 
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Not saying she shouldn't have it. Just curious as to why she'd want it.

Well why did you want the shit you've got? Got a hd tv? Xbox 360? A pick up truck? Well why would someone want that stuff. Did they need it?
Sorry. Nothing personal. I've been hearing this question and its been irritating me. Peoplewith 400k houses and perpetrators of conspicuous comsumption asking the sexist question "why would a woman want such a weapon?".

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So "because she wanted it" is a good enough reason to have an assault rifle.

Got it.

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So "because she wanted it" is a good enough reason to have an assault rifle.

Got it.

Good work completely misreading my post.
I said the question "why did she 'need' it?" was wrong. None of us "need" 90% of the shit we have.
Like I said... do you "need" that HD TV? Do you "need" to have that nice new car?
I don't like the "need" game. Its a strawman.

And yeah, to answer your question, "she wanted it" is good enough. She had a lawful right to own it. What more do you need as justification? You think she didn't deserve her rights or something?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:58 pm 
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Would it make everyone feel better if she owned a scoped hunting rifle rather than an "assault" rifle?


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Darkside wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
So "because she wanted it" is a good enough reason to have an assault rifle.

Got it.

Good work completely misreading my post.
I said the question "why did she 'need' it?" was wrong. None of us "need" 90% of the shit we have.
Like I said... do you "need" that HD TV? Do you "need" to have that nice new car?
I don't like the "need" game. Its a strawman.

And yeah, to answer your question, "she wanted it" is good enough. She had a lawful right to own it. What more do you need as justification? You think she didn't deserve her rights or something?


No one deserves the right to own an assault rifle.

But I guess they're needed for when we need to overthrow the government or protect us from the invading Chinese hordes.*

These are Facebook comments, not those of anyone here.

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I didnt realize it was improper to ask why someone owns a rifle that is eventually used to kill 20 grade schoolers. Thanks for the info, and way to have your priorities straight.

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SpiralStairs wrote:
I would like to know why a mom in suburban CT needs a gun like this:

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You realize that the assault rifle in that pic is simply decoration right? there is no difference between that and a deer rifle other than it is made of black metal and plastic rather than steel and wood.

I am not gonna fight any gun fight today but some facts are that there are no legally available fully automatic guns for sale in the US. If you have one or even the proof that you are trying to alter one you will go to federal prison. An assault rifle per se is simply an appearance or a semi automatic version of a military rifle. It does not shoot any more rounds or bigger damage than any other rifle.

Again, this is a tragedy but get your heads right. Is a 9 inch "rambo" knife really any deadlier than your Ginsu?



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But I guess they're needed for when we need to overthrow the government or protect us from the invading Chinese hordes.*

These are Facebook comments, not those of anyone here.


I'm glad you've finally figured it all out. If you don't like guns, you're unAmerican. We need those guns because we might need to overthrow the american government. See, makes perfect sense!

2nd, I'm pretty sure refering to the Chinese as "hordes" is historically offensive.

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No one deserves the right to own an assault rifle.

I like you TP. So don't take this the wrong way. But who do you think you are determining what people's rights are? No one deserves the right...? Please. You don't just go taking away people's constitutional rights because you don't think they "deserve" them.
Look, I understand how people feel about guns. I get that. Guns are pretty scary I guess, particularly if you don't know much about them or you get caught up in what you see on television.
But when you start picking and choosing which rights you think people "deserve", in my opinion, that's playing a very dangerous game.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
But I guess they're needed for when we need to overthrow the government or protect us from the invading Chinese hordes.*

These are Facebook comments, not those of anyone here.


I'm glad you've finally figured it all out. If you don't like guns, you're unAmerican. We need those guns because we might need to overthrow the american government. See, makes perfect sense!

2nd, I'm pretty sure refering to the Chinese as "hordes" is historically offensive.

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The first sentence is a huge strawman, I'm not sure if you're just foolin', though.

And "Horde" would be referring to the Mongolian Hordes which conquered much of the known world between 1200A.D. and 1300A.D.


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But when you start picking and choosing which rights you think people "deserve", in my opinion, that's playing a very dangerous game.

I think I understand what you are saying, but don't we already do this and usually by more arbitrary standards? I used the example of the drinking age earlier, it has an arbitrary age limit 20 year 364 day old person cannot drink. One day older: go at it (a better example would be the right to vote but alas). However when it comes to gun ownership, shouldn't there be some people who should not have the right?

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No problem Darko.

It's my opinion that the only firearms citizens should be allowed to own are shotguns and handguns that can not fire five bullets per second.

You disagree. It's cool.

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No problem Darko.

It's my opinion that the only firearms citizens should be allowed to own are shotguns and handguns that can not fire five bullets per second.

You disagree. It's cool.

Ok. Explain to me how this would have stopped what happened?
And 5 bullets per second? What does that mean? I doubt that any of his weapons could reliably have fired 300 rounds per minute.
magazine sizes, bans on "assault" rifles... this really won't do anything. So instead of 3 15 round magazines I carry 5 eight round magazines. Instead of a .223 bushmaster I carry a 7mm Remington. Really no significant difference.

Look, there's something like 320 million guns in the US. The overwhealming vast majority aren't involved in any crime.

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No problem Darko.

It's my opinion that the only firearms citizens should be allowed to own are shotguns and handguns that can not fire five bullets per second.

You disagree. It's cool.


Automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S.

So citizens are not allowed to own them.


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Is it a misunderstanding of what an automatic weapon is?
There's no automatic weapons involved in this crime today. Rarely is there automatic weapons involved. Only one I can think of off the top of my head was that Beverly Hills shootout. There's probably others but none come to mind.

Automatic weapon will fire as long as you hold down the trigger.
Semi automatic weapons will fire one per trigger pull and will reload the next round as a function of the shot going off.

Almost all handguns are semi automatic.

Again, automatic weapons are extremely rare, and in all cases illegal. S

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Semi-automatic guns should also be illegal.

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well they don't just fire off 5 bullets a second automatically. You have to be ablt to pull the trigger 5 times a second.
Therefore, a simple revolver like a .38 special should be technically able to fire 5 rounds a second.
Again, these are not automatic weapons. They don't just fire 5 rounds a second. They have to have the trigger pulled 5 times a second. Any Semi auto should be able to do that if in the hands of an extremely experienced shooter.
There's no way of limiting that.
If you want to make a weapon capable of shooting 5 times a second (again, that's an EXTREME capability of these weapons, that's an ideally trained and experienced shooter mind you), then you make pretty much every weapon imaginable illegal. MAYBE a pump action shotgun, but I can get off 3 pump fired rounds in a second with my Benelli and I'm not exactly trained military.

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Semi-automatic guns should also be illegal.




Terry's Peeps wrote:
No problem Darko.

It's my opinion that the only firearms citizens should be allowed to own are shotguns and handguns that can not fire five bullets per second.

You disagree. It's cool.



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And "Horde" would be referring to the Mongolian Hordes which conquered much of the known world between 1200A.D. and 1300A.D.

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Semi-automatic guns should also be illegal.

So muzzle loaders and flint locks are all we should be able to own?
Back to the early 1800's?

This conversation is getting silly now. Just make anything illegal that can hurt anybody then. Why not?
I'm done here. This is beyond pointless.

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And "Horde" would be referring to the Mongolian Hordes which conquered much of the known world between 1200A.D. and 1300A.D.

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And "Horde" would be referring to the Mongolian Hordes which conquered much of the known world between 1200A.D. and 1300A.D.

Thanks, SHARK.


Stop attacking him.

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Colonel Angus wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
And "Horde" would be referring to the Mongolian Hordes which conquered much of the known world between 1200A.D. and 1300A.D.

Thanks, SHARK.


Stop attacking him.

I apologi for comparing him to you.


Don't worry.

I catch your drift, if you know what I mean.


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I catch your drift, if you know what I mean.

Hard not to argue.

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Semi-automatic guns should also be illegal.

So muzzle loaders and flint locks are all we should be able to own?
Back to the early 1800's?

This conversation is getting silly now. Just make anything illegal that can hurt anybody then. Why not?
I'm done here. This is beyond pointless.


Thanks for contributing.

Be safe in the knowledge that nothing will come out of this.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Darkside wrote:
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Semi-automatic guns should also be illegal.

So muzzle loaders and flint locks are all we should be able to own?
Back to the early 1800's?

This conversation is getting silly now. Just make anything illegal that can hurt anybody then. Why not?
I'm done here. This is beyond pointless.


Thanks for contributing.

Be safe in the knowledge that nothing will come out of this.

lee Harvey Oswald fired 3 shots in 5.6 seconds and that was enough to kill a President, change the world and wound a couple other people.
That gun was just fine by your standards.

I'm just saying that your silly x rounds in y seconds or the standard z number of rounds in a magazine is not going to work.
It's just some number that someone made up to give people the false sense of security. It's more dangerous than the actual weapons if you think about it.

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Probably true.

I guess I just don't understand guns. Oh well.

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