They can now go the Purdue/Illini route. Hire a MAC guy and pretend that was your target all a long.

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I don't think it's a big deal. It's becoming increasingly apparent that coaching decisions happen because of the most random reasons. Butch Jones can't wait to get out of Cincy, but Tommy Tuberville(a better coach in my opinion) can't wait to get there so badly he ditches recruits in the middle of dinner.

Wisconsin is the perfect place for an up and coming coach. I think it was more program whoever the coach was last season.

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Or the Indiana route, which is take an assistant coach that even MAC teams weren't interested in.

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Either way, it sounds like the perfect plan for Wisconsin!

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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It's only random if you disagree with the actual reasons that always come into play:

-money
-facilities
-administrative stability/support
-recruiting base/exposure/etc
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-family/personal reasons

Not exactly in that order every time, but those are the main reasons. You just don't accept that as being the reality.

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Except, that hasn't been the case in multiple instances.

Tuberville to Cincy, and Golden turning down Wisconsin don't fit that formula at all.

Your list has merit, but the coaching carousel has been pretty random this year.

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And Bret doesn't fit that either. He's getting a modest upgrade (didn't ask for more money at UW before leaving, so that obviously wasn't it) and the rest of the stuff is fine. He did bitch about how much the coordinators get paid, but he's bringing a few with him to Arkansas. IE, "I can't pay my coaches enough, so I get shitty coaches!" :::brings shitty coaches to Arkansas::::

I don't think he was saying he had shitty coaches at all, he was pissed they kept leaving because he couldn't pay them.

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BB got more $$, better practice facilities, and more support/stability at Arkansas. They wanted to run him out of Madison despite the success. He is the definition of what I'm talking about.

I don't know TT's specifics, but I'd be surprised if he didn't get more $$$, and TTech is in the middle of BFE - maybe one of the hardest places to recruit at. That's two of the list right there.

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I don't get what you are saying. Is it that coaches leave to make more money? If so, I agree. That is just how it works though. You move jobs, you get more money.

I do disagree that Cincinnati is easier to recruit at, especially since the Big East literally may not exist by the next game. I doubt you saw Tommy Tuberville to Cincy coming. That's why it's been pretty random.

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So if nobody predicts all of the movements that happen - that makes the movements random? Those are two different things.
I disagree. The reasons are not random. They are because of the reasons I listed before. In fact, using the BB situation, he fits every single one of those criteria (maybe not family/personal):

more money
better facilities
better admin support/stability
he's now recruiting to the SEC West

Just because you or I didn't "predict it" doesn't make his reasons for taking the job "random". They are very calculated.

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I really don't get what you are arguing here. Every reason you state is a reason why someone would take a job. I'd be stupid to argue against any of those. I'm saying many of the changes have not fit that profile. Now, for the MAC to BCS jobs that is how it works. However, the BCS to BCS really hasn't met that criteria. Wisconsin is better than Miami in almost every conceivable way(besides weather, and Florida has more talent but that is taken by the better programs in the state anyways) and yet Golden turned them down. Miami doesn't release the coaching salary, but it's pretty obvious Wisconsin would offer him a raise. Texas Tech is better than Cincinnati in almost every conceivable way too. Cincinnatti may literally not have a conference by next week. They have to seriously consider joining the MAC or Conference USA if that happens.

Anyways, it really isn't worth arguing. You seem to think it's pretty cut and dry why coaches move. I disagree.

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Exactly, it's not like Barry said "take a pay cut and come to Wisconsin!"

Take specific schools out of it - why do coaches choose one school over another?
Coin flips? That's pretty random........

Of course there are specific reasons, and they're obvious. There's really nothing to even argue. Even for y.......nah, let's not get crazy.

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For the reasons you stated, and others. That is what I meant. Tuberville left because he thought he would be fired eventually. I don't even know why Golden would turn down Wisconsin. That one is not any of the reasons you mentioned. Other coaches it's pretty obvious why they moved.

You can't even just accept it when I am pretty much agreeing with you. You have some strange obsession with this topic.

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I think it has something to do with you starting off your replies with "I don't even get what you are arguing here" and then following that with a 100+ words telling me why what I'm saying is wrong.

Or something.

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I didn't say you were wrong. "Every reason you state is a reason why someone would take a job."

My whole point is that there are many other reasons why, and multiple job acceptances/denials didn't really fit what you would expect. If you don't like that I used the word random I don't really care.

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I win again. I'm like a bullet train.

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This looks like the pool Barry is choosing from:

Mel Tucker
Dave Clausen
Matt Campbell
Gary Andersen

Pretty disappointing considering the names being talked about at the start.

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The only one that is a real disappointment to me is Campbell. 1 year experience without much success. Really don't have an opinion on Clausen. Tucker seems unanimously accepted as a future head coach, but signs have always pointed to the NFL so that's concerning.

Gary Andersen runs a great program, and he seems to be a great in game coach. But who knows if the guy can recruit outside of Utah, or to a big time program. He is the supposed "leader in the clubhouse" at the moment.


The big names were probably never even really considered, except for Chris Petersen. I would have loved CP being the coach.

Come on Bucky, this is Wisconsin here. One of the top teams in a major conference. You are going to tell me if you end up with the Utah State coach that really isn't a disappointment?

Not buying it man.

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Look at the history of the Badgers, they never bring in the big coach. In anything. I guess in a way that is frustrating, but as much as I grew tired of BB, he was a solid coach. He was a nobody until BA hand picked him.

I'm trying to think of who I feel the Badgers missed out on. The only guy is CP, and UW isn't the first to try and fail to get him to leave. Plus he's a scientologist.

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Hire a WAC coach who's 26-24 at his current job and below .500 lifetime? Wow.

It is who they had targeted from the start mud.

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Purdue and Illinois now feel better.

I think the recent hires by Big 10 schools show that coaches around the country do not have much respect for the Big 10 as far as football goes. I think this is a real bad sign for the conference, we are going to continue the decline in football. The scariest part of all is if this decline continues for another 10-15 years Spanky may end up being right.

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You're not noticing how bad they were before they got there. Technically, his first season when they won 4 games was a success. Won 11 this year.


And RFDC, you're killing me. How is this a sign the entire conference is dying? BB had zero experience and look what he did.