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From the cbs story about the Jackson signing

With the addition of Jackson, the Cubs now feasibly have seven big-league level starting pitchers in Jackson, Matt Garza, Jeff Samardzija, Scott Feldman, Scott Baker, Travis Wood and Carlos Villanueva. Baker is recovering from Tommy John surgery, Garza is recovering from second-half arm issues and Villanueva could pitch out of the bullpen, so there's some need for depth.

So you figure Smardz, Jackson and Garza are locks for the rotation if healthy.....Is it bad that I am worried that we won't be able to find two starters that arent awful out of the Feldman, Baker, Villanueva, Wood pu pu platter?

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From the cbs story about the Jackson signing

With the addition of Jackson, the Cubs now feasibly have seven big-league level starting pitchers in Jackson, Matt Garza, Jeff Samardzija, Scott Feldman, Scott Baker, Travis Wood and Carlos Villanueva. Baker is recovering from Tommy John surgery, Garza is recovering from second-half arm issues and Villanueva could pitch out of the bullpen, so there's some need for depth.

So you figure Smardz, Jackson and Garza are locks for the rotation if healthy.....Is it bad that I am worried that we won't be able to find two starters that arent awful out of the Feldman, Baker, Villanueva, Wood pu pu platter?


Who cares? They will suck next year anyways.


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By mid-season,Chris Rusin will be starting.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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Phil McCracken wrote:
From the cbs story about the Jackson signing

With the addition of Jackson, the Cubs now feasibly have seven big-league level starting pitchers in Jackson, Matt Garza, Jeff Samardzija, Scott Feldman, Scott Baker, Travis Wood and Carlos Villanueva. Baker is recovering from Tommy John surgery, Garza is recovering from second-half arm issues and Villanueva could pitch out of the bullpen, so there's some need for depth.

So you figure Smardz, Jackson and Garza are locks for the rotation if healthy.....Is it bad that I am worried that we won't be able to find two starters that arent awful out of the Feldman, Baker, Villanueva, Wood pu pu platter?


Who cares? They will suck next year anyways.

I understand. But I think we can both agree that it would be nice if they sucked a little bit less than last year. That was a hard season to get through. Would you be pissed if the Cubs somehow went on a run for a post season berth because it messed up the suckage plan?

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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By mid-season,Chris Rusin will be starting.


We will see if he's even on the team. Cubs have to DFA some people to make room for the new signings, I believe.


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By mid-season,Chris Rusin will be starting.


We will see if he's even on the team. Cubs have to DFA some people to make room for the new signings, I believe.

*fingers crossed* Cmon Ian Stewart.....

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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From the cbs story about the Jackson signing

With the addition of Jackson, the Cubs now feasibly have seven big-league level starting pitchers in Jackson, Matt Garza, Jeff Samardzija, Scott Feldman, Scott Baker, Travis Wood and Carlos Villanueva. Baker is recovering from Tommy John surgery, Garza is recovering from second-half arm issues and Villanueva could pitch out of the bullpen, so there's some need for depth.

So you figure Smardz, Jackson and Garza are locks for the rotation if healthy.....Is it bad that I am worried that we won't be able to find two starters that arent awful out of the Feldman, Baker, Villanueva, Wood pu pu platter?


Who cares? They will suck next year anyways.

I understand. But I think we can both agree that it would be nice if they sucked a little bit less than last year. That was a hard season to get through. Would you be pissed if the Cubs somehow went on a run for a post season berth because it messed up the suckage plan?


I would like them to suck less, but If Feldman, Baker, or Villanueva pitch well this season, they will all be gone at the deadline. In other words, Cubs could be better until July 31, at which time they will tank the season.


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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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I think there's nothing wrong with inviting Stewart to camp. Let's see if he can hit the ball,we know he is a decent fielder. I keep thinking of Derrick Lee and his wrist injury. It takes awhile.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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I think there's nothing wrong with inviting Stewart to camp. Let's see if he can hit the ball,we know he is a decent fielder. I keep thinking of Derrick Lee and his wrist injury. It takes awhile.

They signed Stewart to like a 2 million dollar deal I am sure he will be in camp. He blows.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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I think there's nothing wrong with inviting Stewart to camp. Let's see if he can hit the ball,we know he is a decent fielder. I keep thinking of Derrick Lee and his wrist injury. It takes awhile.

They signed Stewart to like a 2 million dollar deal I am sure he will be in camp. He blows.


ONLY if he breaks with the team and makes the roster.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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I think there's nothing wrong with inviting Stewart to camp. Let's see if he can hit the ball,we know he is a decent fielder. I keep thinking of Derrick Lee and his wrist injury. It takes awhile.

They signed Stewart to like a 2 million dollar deal I am sure he will be in camp. He blows.


ONLY if he breaks with the team and makes the roster.

So you are telling me there's hope that he will break his wrist again and I will never have to see that pile of garbage in a Cubs uni? It is going to be a Merry Christmas after all james.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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Phil McCracken wrote:
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They gave away Paul Maholm for I don't remember what. That move is costing them about 40-50 million this year.


They got one of the Braves top pitching prospects.


Ok,I forgot but it is true. Maholm was signed for 2013. Maybe they don't chase Edwin Jackson if they have him to pick up 150 IP.

So the Cubs shouldn't trade their pitchers for prospects? I am so confused by what my fellow Cubs fans want. We are all over the place this offseason from a fan reaction standpoint.


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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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Here's what I don't understand about this deal. Jackson was a free agent last off season coming off a year where he went 12-9 3.79 ERA 199.2 IP 1.437 WHIP and his best offer was 1yr/$11M from the Nats. Last season he went 10-11 4.03 ERA 189.2 IP 1.218 WHIP and he receives a 4yr/$52M contract. This has been a very strange off season.


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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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Here's what I don't understand about this deal. Jackson was a free agent last off season coming off a year where he went 12-9 3.79 ERA 199.2 IP 1.437 WHIP and his best offer was 1yr/$11M from the Nats. Last season he went 10-11 4.03 ERA 189.2 IP 1.218 WHIP and he receives a 4yr/$52M contract. This has been a very strange off season.


I believe he was offered a 3yr/33M contract last year, but took the one-year to get a big payoff from the Cubs this year. It seems like we say the free agent market is strange every year.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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Jackson will have some high strikeout/dominant games, where this move will seem to make some sense, but he's wildly inconsistent and this was a stupid move. I just pray he has enough high quality starts prior to the trade deadline to make him desireable to a contending team that might be stupid enough to trade for this steaming pile of monkey spunk.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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I don't think the 2013 Cubs are going to be good, but it wouldn't take a whole lot of stuff to break the right way for them to contend in that shitty division. You've got to have guys like Jackson to make it even a possibility. It was a more than reasonable signing.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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Jackson will have some high strikeout/dominant games, where this move will seem to make some sense, but he's wildly inconsistent and this was a stupid move. I just pray he has enough high quality starts prior to the trade deadline to make him desireable to a contending team that might be stupid enough to trade for this steaming pile of monkey spunk.


The real frustrating thing about Jackson is that, even when dominating he fucks around on the mound so much that his pitch count is high by the 5-6 inning and burns the bullpen.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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Jackson will have some high strikeout/dominant games, where this move will seem to make some sense, but he's wildly inconsistent and this was a stupid move. I just pray he has enough high quality starts prior to the trade deadline to make him desireable to a contending team that might be stupid enough to trade for this steaming pile of monkey spunk.


The real frustrating thing about Jackson is that, even when dominating he fucks around on the mound so much that his pitch count is high by the 5-6 inning and burns the bullpen.


But guys like that have value. There are less balls put into play. That's the thing about pitching. Guys like Mark Buehrle- and there aren't a lot of them- are unbelievably consistent in hitting spots and doing what they want. But that can only take them so far. Guys like Edwin Jackson and Gavin Floyd, if they can find consistency in their deliveries they have the opportunity to have a special year. And most guys like them do put together that giant season at least once in their careers. The idea is to have them do it for you. I think the Cubs signed Jackson at the right time. They'll probably get his best years. The next team that signs Floyd will probably get his. The Sox will get a draft pick or some minor league bums.

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 Post subject: Re: Edwin Jackson
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Take Gavin Floyd's cock out of your mouth for just a minute, would ya? He will never have another season like he did in 2008. That was his "giant" season. The next team that signs him will get something like 40-45 wins, 40-45 losses and an ERA right around 4.3-4.5

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Take Gavin Floyd's cock out of your mouth for just a minute, would ya? He will never have another season like he did in 2008. That was his "giant" season. The next team that signs him will get something like 40-45 wins, 40-45 losses and an ERA right around 4.3-4.5


No, Frank. He will almost definitely have a better season than that.

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He has to have a better ERA, fewer losses, and more wins than he did in 2008. I don't think he compiles a season like that.

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Gavin will be 30 when next season starts. It is not like he is on the last couple seasons of his career. I think it is very possible, if not likely he has one season better than that one.

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He could if he gets on the right drugs.

He should call Curt Schilling.

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Jackson will have some high strikeout/dominant games, where this move will seem to make some sense, but he's wildly inconsistent and this was a stupid move. I just pray he has enough high quality starts prior to the trade deadline to make him desireable to a contending team that might be stupid enough to trade for this steaming pile of monkey spunk.


Those who defended this signing might want to reconsider their position. This pile of monkey crap has such poor command he gets in trouble more often than Lindsey Lohan on a bender. It was a DUMB signing, as I said in December. Oh, he will have some good outings when he strikes out 10-12 batters and gets a win. But he will have just as many crap outings like this one. Thats why he is 70-72 lifetime with a 4.40 ERA and has been on 8 teams already.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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Jackson will have some high strikeout/dominant games, where this move will seem to make some sense, but he's wildly inconsistent and this was a stupid move. I just pray he has enough high quality starts prior to the trade deadline to make him desireable to a contending team that might be stupid enough to trade for this steaming pile of monkey spunk.


Those who defended this signing might want to reconsider their position. This pile of monkey crap has such poor command he gets in trouble more often than Lindsey Lohan on a bender.

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It was a DUMB signing, as I said in December. Oh, he will have some good outings when he strikes out 10-12 batters and gets a win. But he will have just as many crap outings like this one. Thats why he is 70-71 lifetime with a 4.40 ERA and has been on 8 teams already.

But he keeps getting traded for highly rated prospects. That's the only hope.


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