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With Lovie gone, the odds of his returning have dropped drastically. I would like to see the new coach consider Marinelli, but is the 3-4 defense passe now? Is Emery a 3-4 guy?

If it is bye bye Brian, thanks for the memories!


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4-3 can work just as well as a 3-4 and a 3-4 would require a radical change.

I agree that Urlacher is gone. I'm not even sure he will try to come back.

Briggs stock take a huge hit as well. I fully believe he is a system guy. I would recommend a trade.

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If Urlacher wants to leave, fuck him. I think Briggs would be able to adapt to another scheme and they did draft McClellan I think for that change.

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It is interesting that no assistants have been announced as being terminated although that could still happen. Obviously most new coaches will want their own staffes.


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Urlacher wants to play one more season, possibly two.

Devin Hester is gone for sure...

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doug - evergreen park wrote:
Urlacher wants to play one more season, possibly two.

Devin Hester is gone for sure...


He should be.


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doug - evergreen park wrote:
Urlacher wants to play one more season, possibly two.

Devin Hester is gone for sure...


He should be.

Hopefully they can get at least a 6th rounder for him.


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One of my favorite parts about the NFL is the way fans shit all over players who are or were good because they've become too expensive. It's really fantastic.

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Hester is no longer good and should be traded while some GM thinks they can resurrect his career.


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IN fairness here, Urlacher has shit on the fans more than once.

I would actually love to see Urlacher back if the price is right. Lovie/Marinelli or not, I believe he is very smart and can see a lot of things on the field and call out plays/coverage accordingly.

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Hester is no longer good and should be traded while some GM thinks they can resurrect his career.

I don't disagree that it's time to let him go. I do disagree that people should shit all over him in the process. Ditto Urlacher.

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Hester is no longer good and should be traded while some GM thinks they can resurrect his career.
I don't think you can trade him. Bears would be lucky to get a 6th round pick for him.

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Hester is no longer good and should be traded while some GM thinks they can resurrect his career.
I don't think you can trade him. Bears would be lucky to get a 6th round pick for him.

If that. No one is going to want his contract as structured.

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Irish Boy wrote:
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Hester is no longer good and should be traded while some GM thinks they can resurrect his career.

I don't disagree that it's time to let him go. I do disagree that people should shit all over him in the process. Ditto Urlacher.

I agree. I respect their careers but Hester has clearly regressed.


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cpguy wrote:
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Hester is no longer good and should be traded while some GM thinks they can resurrect his career.

I don't disagree that it's time to let him go. I do disagree that people should shit all over him in the process. Ditto Urlacher.

I agree. I respect their careers but Hester has clearly regressed.

Sure. Such is life in the NFL. It happens to everyone. I just hate that 99% of the players you watch today, even the most celebrated, are going to go through a stretch where they get shit on by the fans that used to love them.

You make the decisions you have to based on the team. I don't think you should keep players around because they used to be good. But I don't get this need of some people to run down former players because they got old.

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Agreed. Hester was amazing at his peek.


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I get your point IB and agree with it for the most part, but in this case Devin Hester running sideways isn't because he is old. Its because he has been making bad/stupid decisions all season. Part of that is on him, and part of that is on the coaching staff.

He catches a ball 5 yards deep in the end zone yesterday, hesitates, then runs it out to get tackled at about the 5. Thats just plain stupid, thats not age. The Bears offense is bad enough. Give them the ball at the 20 at lest.

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I get your point, but in this case Devin Hester running sideways isn't because he is old. Its because he has been making bad/stupid decisions all season. Part of that is on him, and part of that is on the coaching staff.

He catches a ball 5 yards deep in the end zone yesterday, hesitates, then runs it out to get tackled at about the 5. Thats just plain stupid, thats not age. The Bears offense is bad enough. Give them the ball at the 20 at lest.

That's always been him though. When he was faster he could overcome it. Now he can't. He was a quickly depreciating skill set. If he were a smarter player he wouldn't have some of the massive boners. But if he were a smarter player he wouldn't have broken as many TDs either. Some of his skill was in his dumbness at returning.

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It seems to me that he ran sidways more this year than ever. The one return he had yesterday when he caught the ball and started running straight right away I think was like a 20 or 25 yard return. He is much more likely to break those for a TD than running sideways inside his own 10 yard line.

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I get your point, but in this case Devin Hester running sideways isn't because he is old. Its because he has been making bad/stupid decisions all season. Part of that is on him, and part of that is on the coaching staff.

He catches a ball 5 yards deep in the end zone yesterday, hesitates, then runs it out to get tackled at about the 5. Thats just plain stupid, thats not age. The Bears offense is bad enough. Give them the ball at the 20 at lest.

That's always been him though. When he was faster he could overcome it. Now he can't. He was a quickly depreciating skill set. If he were a smarter player he wouldn't have some of the massive boners. But if he were a smarter player he wouldn't have broken as many TDs either. Some of his skill was in his dumbness at returning.


^^^ IB nailed it on that one. "the distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success" - jonathan pryce's villian in that one late 90s bond movie.

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It seems to me that he ran sidways more this year than ever. The one return he had yesterday when he caught the ball and started running straight right away I think was like a 20 or 25 yard return. He is much more likely to break those for a TD than running sideways inside his own 10 yard line.

Yeah, I think some of it is the frustration of not having broken through for so long. You try to do too much and it compounds the problem.

I'm not saying keep him. I'm just saying that he's the best returner of all time and we got to watch him play and contribute to the team, and I think that should over any impulse to bash the guy (I'm not just talking about little jokes or whatever. I mean the real hate you see towards some of the players).

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The change of where kickoffs take place has changed Hester's career, but he still lacks the decision making skills needed to put the Bears in plus-field position. Why not use him in the slot and as a change of pace back?

I don't think the Bears will fail without bullethead. If he wants to come back fine if not, whatevs.

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This is hilarious!

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This is how Devin Hester addressed the media today. pic.twitter.com/5ijGHNfv
https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status ... to/1/large

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i ain't laughing at devin. he sounded like he was crying.... and he spoke of his family and his two kids... and if you look at it like that, it makes a whole lot of sense. lovie was there when they drafted devin, they got him in there as a KR/PR, they turned him into a WR... they did that whole "devin is a #1 WR" thing and got him a nice big contract... lovie was like a father figure to devin.... and he oversaw a regime that hooked devin up nicely. look back at his past with deion mentoring him, and the whole the-U thing with nevin shapiro and all that... and it seems like devin is the forrest gump type who needed those father figure types to look out for him, and hey, he really gave a shit about lovie.... lovie was there as devin changed from some athletic kid with a low IQ into some sort of a multimillionaire.... and he's truly grateful for what he's been given in life.

i can really appreciate that in devin, and it's part of the reason i'll always look back at his bears tenure with rosy glasses in the future.

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Irish Boy wrote:
One of my favorite parts about the NFL is the way fans shit all over players who are or were good because they've become too expensive. It's really fantastic.


The players don't care about what the fans think. My source told me this a few weeks ago.

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This is hilarious!

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This is how Devin Hester addressed the media today. pic.twitter.com/5ijGHNfv
https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status ... to/1/large

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I am sickened by the amount of fucking babies on this Bears team crying about Lovie being fired. YOU GUYS HAVE MISSED THE PLAYOFFS 5 OUT OF 6 YEARS!!!! If you want to play for a mediocre team, go to Cleveland, San Diego, or elsewhere.

Grow the fuck up!

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i ain't laughing at devin. he sounded like he was crying.... and he spoke of his family and his two kids... and if you look at it like that, it makes a whole lot of sense. lovie was there when they drafted devin, they got him in there as a KR/PR, they turned him into a WR... they did that whole "devin is a #1 WR" thing and got him a nice big contract... lovie was like a father figure to devin.... and he oversaw a regime that hooked devin up nicely. look back at his past with deion mentoring him, and the whole the-U thing with nevin shapiro and all that... and it seems like devin is the forrest gump type who needed those father figure types to look out for him, and hey, he really gave a shit about lovie.... lovie was there as devin changed from some athletic kid with a low IQ into some sort of a multimillionaire.... and he's truly grateful for what he's been given in life.

i can really appreciate that in devin, and it's part of the reason i'll always look back at his bears tenure with rosy glasses in the future.


I will look back at Devin with rose-colored glasses as well, but his histrionics is just embarrassing. Lovie hasn't died or anything, he just did not succeed at his job.

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Agreed bumpkin, these clowns know the gravy train is over.

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Devin was as exciting a player as there was in the league for a time. I think he still has value but he really needs to work within a system rather than free forming. I think he still has value. It is also my understanding that his contract is not particularly bad for next year.

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Devin was as exciting a player as there was in the league for a time. I think he still has value but he really needs to work within a system rather than free forming. I think he still has value. It is also my understanding that his contract is not particularly bad for next year.


But, do you think he still has value?


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