Listening to Podcasts.

And Lance talk has always been extremely uninteresting to me.

I knew they talked about Armstrong being a dick, but to tell anyone HOW to battle cancer is pretty ridiculous even for them.

No need to troll people who have fucking cancer.

Ok, I dont know why you keep bringing that up though. Did a caller say they still support Livestrong or something?

Dan's problem with what Terry said was specific to using Lance as motivation

Its just dumb.

If Hitler beat cancer, he beat cancer. That's it. Yes, the Nazi party is not good, but the human being Adolf Hitler beating it, is a good thing to a cancer patirent.

I believe their ire is placed upon people who argue the point that Armstrong has some redeeming qualities (someone like David Haugh comes to mind, though I have no idea if he ever wrote a column on it). I don't believe anyone that actually HAD cancer called in and said they used him as an inspiration. B&B are of the opinion that Armstrong is 100% scumbag with 0% redeeming qualities. I tend to agree with that.

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But that would be to operate under the premise that no one else has beaten cancer before and no one else can serve as inspiration. Same with Lance Armstrong. Unless you aspire to beat cancer and then say "fuck you" to your family that had been there for you, you shouldn't look to Lance Armstrong as inspiration in fighting cancer.

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So you guys are saying B&B should cut slack to idiots just because they have cancer?

Yeah, Hitler killed a lot of guys, but he was an inspiration to many! He's not ALL bad.

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I didn't hear the specific call but many people still talk about "all the good Lance did" and "all the good Livestrong does" when at least for the past 5 or so years, they've actually HURT cancer research.

I agree it's stupid to say someone was wrong for finding strength in Lance's story. I'm talking about right now. Livestrong and Lance don't deserve any support.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I agree.

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Team Cutler.

Right. Different argument. You're apparently not allowed to find motivation with anyone outside of your cancer doctor and family.

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Kramer: You didn't do so bad.

Jerry: What are you talking about? I bombed!

Kramer: No, you had some good stuff. The cancer bit? It was edgy, it was not

my sort of thing but some of those people out there, they really liked it.

Jerry: Like who?

Kramer: Like that guy who yelled out.

Jerry: He had cancer!

Kramer: And laughter is the best medicine.

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So, Terry reports that he still hasn't listened to the Trestman press conference.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

I care less about Armstrong really and I guess I followed how he likely enriched himself or whatever with Livestrong under the table but what has that foundation actually done to 'hurt" cancer research?

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Elections have consequences.

Diverted donations from useful organizations?

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Ah didn't look at that angle. Good point.

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Elections have consequences.

There are a few different answers to that question. It all comes down to the idea that much of the money donated to Livestrong would still be donated to cancer charities. The first is that Livestrong was used by Lance to fight his legal battles which was basically using millions of dollars for no benefit of cancer at all. The second is that many people mistakenly thought they were donating to research when they basically have stopped donating anything for years. The third is that cancer awareness is a stupid thought. Any dollar spent for cancer awareness steals from cancer research which can make a difference. The fourth is that they are a cancer awareness charity costing millions of dollars to run. Hypothetically, if all of that money was given to another cancer charity, there would be millions more per year donated.

Basically, as a charity Livestrong is useless except as a way for Lance to defend himself and sell products and build the Armstrong brand.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/sports/cycling/lance-armstrongs-business-brand-and-livestrong-are-bound-together.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The second pre-fill option on google is, in fact, "john cena dead".

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- Henry George

I liked Terry's Cena story. I've repeatedly been frustrated by the way they've booked him, but by all accounts he comes across as a very stand up guy. Cena that is. I'm sure Terry is a pud.

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Let's do it for Johnny!

This notion that raising awareness of an illness somehow detracts from the research to cure the illness is. . . .(I'll come back to it in a minute). Who gives money to treat illness without any awareness of the illness? The most generous of philanthropy without reason or purpose is. . . .(I'll come back to it in a minute). The connotation that because the "face" of a program is a bad person, in this case a lying phony, means that the purpose or intent of the program is bad is simply. . .(I'll come back to it in a minute).

I can understand the radio hosts being hypocritical dicks, it is as much their want as is their belief that it is why their show is successful. One has mocked others for enduring the tragic or untimely deaths of their family or friends, while the other host suggests his connection with fun camp puts him at a level to tell others where and how they should find inspiration in coping with illness and affliction. But for some on these boards to follow along with this asinine line of reasoning just makes you dicks of a different variety.

I punched the button because the Armstrong talk has become tiresome with only the only change being their need to exaggerate the impact of his actions.

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Bernstein's wife's tweets are hilarious!

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Yawn.....show just went into the "boredom zone"....more concussion talk, as always....makes me feel like setting my hair on fire

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GOB: "My God, what is this feeling?"
Michael: "Could it be love?"
GOB: "I know what an erection feels like, Michael. No, it's the opposite. It's... it's like my heart is getting hard."

What a tool. What exactly was he trying to accomplish there?

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Listened sporadically for the first hour or so then turned it off. I guess everyone was off the mark with the Terry is awesome after a break comments. Bad show.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I'm pretty sure most of us were aware of cancer long before we ever heard the name Lance Armstrong. Unfortunately, the only the Armstrong really made us aware of was bicycle racing.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I had high hopes with transition...those hopes were dashed in short order.

The best was when Terry ripped people for taking inspiration from Lance Armstrong and Dan said "You don't get better by being 'inspired.' You get better by having Really Intelligent Doctors. That's the worst part: people take inspiration from this lying jackass, and not from the oncologists who give them proton therapy and wield gamma knives and generally make the world a better place."

Look. I know Lance Armstrong is human garbage. And I have tremendous admiration for oncologists. But holy hell, can we have one fucking show where Dan doesn't lecture us about how ungrateful we are for not celebrating the achievements of wealthy, educated Americans?

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No, it really isn't. People can separate the two. Not that it matters, they could take strength from a fictional character or a spunky hamster, its just not a right/ wrong thing.

Me too. The highlight was Terry telling the John Cena story.

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Let's do it for Johnny!

These two clowns should just shut the fuck up, already, especially about this topic which often times is intensely personal.

It's one thing to chastise someone for daring not look at SABR metrics like the gospel or thinking the Phil Emery hire might not be a good one, but just stay the hell away from, "you're an idiot if you need inspiration to fight cancer" or "you're a dope if Lance Armstrong inspired you in some way/shape/form." They are way out of their depth (which is awfully shallow) on this one. No one said they don't believe in their Dr's or are inspired by their medical team, this stuff, as with many ailments, can have a large mental component to it.

The Anti-SABRmetric Strawman is dumb enough as it is, we don't need a "Dumb Cancer Patient Needing Inspiration" Strawman on top of it.

People will do what they need to do to get through things.

Not to mention the topic has been beaten to death. I can't figure them out sometimes. I'm by no means a Notre Dame fan, and I do enjoy the schadenfreude of the institution looking stupid, but they take it to another level. They were just giddy when they were reading that article debunking the myth of the Gipper, and seemed genuinely happy that the real life Rudy has had some struggles. I just can't relish in others misery like that I guess. Why don't they go around to pre schools and tell all the kids how stupid they are for buying into the whole Santa Claus "narrative".

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I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out. - Bill Hicks

Let's do it for Johnny!

So from reading the thread they did another Lance Armstrong is a dickbag and anyone who draws inspiration from the fact that he beat cancer are equal parts stupid and off the mark on where they should be getting their positive feelings when faced with cancer from, show. How original and groundbreaking.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Actually Terry spent about five minutes talking about it.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest