Yes, much better passer than orton

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Not sure about "most qb's"

He's got a strong arm. I think Luck will be better.

Of course he's a better thrower than most QBs. There's like 15-20 decent or better ones, and 40-50 terrible ones(by NFL starter standards) in the league. I haven't heard anyone question if Kaepernick will be good going forward. The question is always how good. I think he'll be better than Luck but I wasn't all that impressed with Luck this season.

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Yea, they're still good and Super Bowl contenders. But just boggles the mind how Packers defense can go from top-3 in SB year to bottom-5 within a year.

I can see the 49ers defense have the same thing happen (Though not as large a decline). Their defense didn't really show up at all during the playoffs.

Seahawks were the more dangerous team in the division at the end of the season. I didn't think the 49ers played all that great in the second half of the season and the defense has been letting up points since december. There is a lot of talk about the great LBs on the team but Justin Smith is their MVP and his is over 30.

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What does that mean?

When you say better than most, Im assuming you mean he's a top 5 thrower. I mean if you're saying he's better than bad QB's I agree.

Not sure why you would assume I meant top 5. I'm saying he's better than average QBs like Orton, and yes ofc course bad QBs. Bad and average QBs make up most of the QBs in the nfl.

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49ers 5-1
Broncos 5-1
Patriots 7-1
Packers 7-1
Texans 10-1
Seahawks 10-1
Ravens 10-1

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I guess when you say better than most I assume most = all but a few.

I mean if were talking QB's and who's good, we should probably start with a base of 20. There are only about 20 locked in starters at a given time.

I think Kaepernick will lose the ability to run at some point and then he'll just be a guy. Its not only that he can make throws, but depending on his arm without the ability to run is playing a whole different way

I just don't see why he would lose his run threat anytime soon. I forgot the exact numbers but it's pretty amazing just how rarely Kaepernick gets hit. He's had about as good a first ten starts as we've seen in the league before. Obviously it's possible that he regresses, it just doesn't seem likely at all to me. If he makes some slight improvement with clock and play management I think he'll be a top 10 QB next year.

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Every running QB in the history of the league stops running at some point (usually due to injury)

I think he'll be good, just not a long career.

I'm not so sure about that and I certainly don't think 9 games is enough to make that statement. Yeah, he's got a big arm. So does Orton and he's an accurate pocket passer. At some point defenses are going to neutralize his running game and make him beat them with his arm. We'll see what happens then. Defenses will make adjustments to deal with these glorified option quarterbacks. That's the way the game has always been. The "46" defense was the most fearsome thing on earth until the West Coast offense cut it apart.

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You can't really use the past as any indication...the game has changed, and will continue to change...you can't hit a qb who slides,below knees,above head,wide receivers who are defenseless ...etc...everything is geared toward less hits more points...I don't like it but running qbs will last much longer than past running qbs.

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you can absolutely do all those things, you just get penalized. They still happen. And it only takes one.

Not to mention losing speed with age.

The Bears had a guy just like this guy a long time ago:

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How's RGIII's ACL?

Atlanta pretty much completely took away his running ability in the championship game. Didn't matter. He's clearly talented enough as a pocket passer to succeed on that alone.

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I think he was 1 for 8 passing into the endzone in the playoffs. His ball looks like Bobby Douglass' to me- a straight rocket that's hard to catch.

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Talented enough? Yes.

Can he do it consistently? Need more than 10 games to say yes or no

I'm pretty sure he was better than 1-8 in the playoffs. You mean in the SB? Either way you can't knock using a 9 game sample size as being too small and then say a stat using 8 passing attempts to further your point. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Well, he hasn't really been successful as a pocket passer. They're using his unusual skillset to run what we could call a "gimmick offense". I guess if they're still running it in four years and making the playoffs every year, then maybe it isn't a gimmick. I really doubt that will be the case though.

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The pistol is the new west coast, the qb who got hit the most in the league last year was luck, c.k. has a great fast ball but he has real nice touch also...I like crabtree but he is nothing special...good #2 ...Davis drops a lot ofballs...I be surprised if niners ate not back in the bowl again next year with new kicker, wideout n few more pieces from draft.

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Here's why I don't think so. First, defenses will develop better schemes to deploy against it. The Ravens handled it pretty well in the first half yesterday. But more than that, it takes a special guy to run it. Just because there are a few guys that popped out all at once that are capable, I don't believe that it's going to radically alter the way teams look at their offenses.

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Will Kaepernick be as good as Donovan McNabb?

I disagree, the ravens didn't handle shit...they gave up like 465 yards,which is the most ever by a super bowl winner...saw Davis drop a beautiful ball that was a td...saw a bad formation negate a huge gain by a Davis catch...the niners. Were driving hard when backup RB from Oregon. Fumbled.


Better than mcnabb? Good? ...mcnabb was great..borderline hof ..I don't know but if its close he had a hell of a career.

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I think Kaepernick will be what McNabb was, til he gets hurt

McNabb in his prime would be at worst probably the 5th best QB in the league right now. It would be awesome for Kaepernick and the 49ers if he was that good.

I think people mistakenly think Kapernick plays like RGIII or something with all this injury talk. He very rarely gets hit. He's probably less likely to get hurt than the average QB.

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I dont have the numbers, but I would be comfortable saying that the more a QB runs the more likely he is to be hit.

Its just hard to have sustained success as that kind of QB. Even the ones who seemingly have a good arm and can throw usually become mediocre when the run threat is gone or faded.