The government does it all the time. See minimum wage.

It may be found unconstitutional but unless you are a rich business owner you should really be rooting for it to stay around. Of all the legislation passed lately, the one that has a real change to lower or control healthcare costs is if the millions of uninsured you and me help pay for now get health insurance and better preventative care.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You are the one that fabricates a lie. Not me.

I find it undignified and abusive to my wife to force her to take sole possession of the planning of a family and to take a pill that is harmful to her and causes numerous other health complications to her alone while she is doing it.

While I understand that you may have never been introduced to this line of thought, don't tell me that I should find your "dignity" remark laughable.

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You know what else can cause health complications? Relying on a chiropractor for medical advice.

Dignity indeed.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I get this. I can see clearly the benefits of more people insured etc. I can even see the point of birth control etc. providing the benefit of less unwanted kids to take of or lots of arguments. My feeling has to do more with the government in general I guess when I look at it.

BTW, does anyone know that birth control pills are prescribe a lot for the treatment and control of ovarian cysts. How does the exempted orgs deal with that?

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Elections have consequences.

The pill isn't the only method of birth control for women.

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No, that's not true.

You took what was obviously me saying I disagree with your view of dignity and twisted it into "you find women's dignity laughable"

That is a lie. You did it on purpose. You do that a lot here.

Birth control is not the subject anymore. You have your views and I have mine.

The issue is why you feel the need to twist someone's words like that.

I could not agree more. Your wife does not have the RIGHT to take sole possession of her body. That is the job of every man in America. Who does she think she is to decide what is best for her without consulting her husband? He knows what is best for her. I tell my boys all the time not to take crap from a woman when they get older. The mouth of a woman is not made for talking.

Look at the list of health complications these pills cause:

Harmful Benefits


Improve your menstrual cycle. Birth control pills can improve your menstrual cycle in at least four ways, including:
less bleeding during periods; one product is designed to eliminate your periods entirely
more regular and consistent menstrual cycle patterns
relief from pelvic pain during menstruation
relief from primarily mood-related symptoms of premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD), a condition that causes many of the same symptoms as PMS, but with more intensity. Two combination oral contraceptives, called Yaz and Beyaz, have been approved by the FDA for use as oral contraceptives and as treatments for the emotional and physical symptoms of PMDD. Both contain drospirenone, a progestin and ethinyl estradiol, a form of estrogen, and Beyaz contains an added daily dose of folic acid

Prevent cancer. Birth control pills have been shown to protect women from ovarian and uterine cancer, and possibly from colorectal cancer.

Protect you from ovarian cysts. If you take birth control pills, you may have a lower risk for developing ovarian cysts than women using nonhormonal methods of contraception, such as diaphragms or condoms. Women using low-dose pills (20 mcg of estrogen) or multiphasic pills may not get the same benefit.

Improve acne.

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GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH

Unless a chiropractor told you this, apparently you only trust doctors when it benefits your bottom line.

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Of course it does. The "separation of church and state" has as much to do with protecting the government from being co-opted by religion as vice versa.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Francis,

Nine dollars is not a large part of the monthly bottom line.

But in all seriousness, you have said you are getting married soon. If you are lucky, you will blessed with children.

I will pray that one of your kids doesn't end up on a waiting list for a kidney, like our daughter did. At that moment you may realize that the saying" I'd give my left arm" or some other fill in the blank becomes very real. And after watching the very best doctors in the country be able to nothing for her, you too may decide to look for other solutions.

And if you really want what's best for your child, and I'm sure that you will, that may lead to other solutions that you may have been unaware of, or even perhaps you previously ridiculed when they were brought up by others.

So all sneering and insidiousnes aside Francis, there is whole difrerent world full of other possibilities outside of this board. Feel free to examine a few.

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Thank you JORR.

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I know. I was using that to show the absurdity of Seacrest's position.

The government allowing waivers based on church teachings violates the separation of church and state.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Health benefits of birth control pills are unproven and the pills are dangerous for women. However, the health benefits of seeing a chiropractor have been proven to be effective and are not harmful in any way. #Truth

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You are making this up. There are numerous things that can be done for kidney issues. Ultimately, a transplant may be required which takes time to find a suitable match.

I think we all have sympathy for your daughter but there is no possible way the best doctors in the country said "I give up" on a child with kidney issues. If they did, then they weren't the best doctors in the country.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I am sorry your daughter was so sick.

That is a different subject though. You said just a few days ago that you do not trust doctors. Whatever the reason is-- good, bad, or otherwise-- you don't trust them and you are absolutely entitled to those beliefs.

Now today you talk about science and research and how the pill is so bad for women.

So its pretty clear that you trust doctors at some level. From this thread it seems you trust them when it benefits you. $9 or $900 doesn't matter. The fact is that when it makes things better for you, doctors end up being ok.

And again I am sorry your child was sick, but just because they couldn't make her better, or had trouble making her better, doesn't mean that all doctors are untrustworthy, or that in a different situation a doctor will not be able to do a lot of good for you, your wife, your other kids, or other friends and/or family you might have.

I wonder if Connie Payton trusts doctors. Sometimes shit happens and there is nothing in our medical world that can be done.

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That was my exact quote BRick.

And now you are ridiculing a very difficult time that our family went through rather than admit you are mistaken.

You are a sick fucking human being. Truly fucking sick.

Get some help.

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How dare you, Sir! How dare you! My hypocrisy should not be questioned. #Truth

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GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH

I'm not ridiculing anything. I'm saying you are incorrect. There are 90 year olds with virtually no kidney function that doctors still have options for even when kidney transplant is off the table because of age. Also, let me point out that if your daughter was on a kidney transplant list, there was something the doctors could do.

Before you get all high and mighty, read your own thoughts in this thread about dignity towards women. Oh wait, I guess that doesn't count.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

For some, faith teaches them to doubt facts and science when it does not help their argument. #Truth.

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DO NOT BE MEAN TO ME!!! #Truth

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My mother in law was on a waiting list for nearly three years, until the doctors found a 6 out of 6 antigen match from a donor in Tennessee. She was due to start dialysis in one week, when she got the call in the middle of the night.

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There are times when an MD is needed. That is not the first time that I have said this. I take medication that I have to get from an MD. I see him yearly, the most recent visit was last Friday.


Craig Langman was her doctor at Children's. At the time, and I am sure it's still the case, he was regarded as one of the foremost experts on nephrotic syndrome in the country. The affliction that our daughter had.

After we went through the recommended protocol for two years, and her condition continued to worsen , we looked and found a different route to take.

Langman wasn't offended or challenged by our move, (though his staff appeared to be), and upon recommneding someone else to him ten years later, we found out that he included a part of a protocol that our chiropractor recommended to the son of a close friend. Chiropractic and the medical community would do well to work together. i wish it happened more often.

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I hate when THEY use a link card for food and then pull out cash to pay for their birth control

Give it a rest biggie.

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So the government wants me to cover what they refuse to do themselves?

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Im just making a joke referencing the original subject of this thread

So ultimately I was correct that your story was not accurate. You simply chose to go to an alternate method of treatment instead of continuing with the course of action the doctor was using. Also, I assume she received a kidney transplant at some point or the condition ultimately corrected itself which can happen too, which indicates that doctors could do something more and ultimately did correct the problem.

If anything, you were vague to the point of misunderstanding. You made it seem like doctors had finished all options and there was nothing more they could do. That clearly wasn't the case. You chose to walk away from the treatment. This information would have been helpful before you played the victim card.

So, I guess I'm not a sick fucking human being after all. I just saw that your story was at best misleading.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Thread = derailed

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Let's not get crazy here.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way