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How 'bout the living together/sex before marriage thing?



The Catholic church does not condone living together or sexual relations before marriage.

The rise in failed marriages, unwanted children and pregnancies and the percenatge of failed marriages where this has occurred seems to show that God may be on to something.


Are couples with a ring, a piece of paper and a title more in love and care about each other more than those couples that don't make it "Official"?


That would be a question for God directly.

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That would be a question for God directly.


If you were God, how would you answer it?


I don't want to be God.

But I don't have to be God to know that some folks who date, are more in love then others I know that are married.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:34 pm 
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I just hope you all are proud that I didn't copy Apologist post. :D

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Ya, I'm definitely not buying that.


Fine with me; people can believe whatever they like.

You should, however, read about the Creeds - Apostle's, Nicene, and the Athanasian. Especially the last one, the long one, the one everybody ignores or don't know about because it's "too long".

And religion is not well suited to the post-Renaissance concept of the "plurality of truth". Christ clearly said that He is "the Way*, the Truth, and the Life", and also very unambiguously states that nobody comes to the Father except through Him.

(* - Fun factoid of the day: 'The Way' was, essentially, how Christianity was referred to for quite some time in the earliest times of the Church, particularly as when was persecuted early on)

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Ya, I'm definitely not buying that.


Fine with me; people can believe whatever they like.

You should, however, read about the Creeds - Apostle's, Nicene, and the Athanasian. Especially the last one, the long one, the one everybody ignores or don't know about because it's "too long".

And religion is not well suited to the post-Renaissance concept of the "plurality of truth". Christ clearly said that He is "the Way*, the Truth, and the Life", and also very unambiguously states that nobody comes to the Father except through Him.

(* - Fun factoid of the day: 'The Way' was, essentially, how Christianity was referred to for quite some time in the earliest times of the Church, particularly as when was persecuted early on)



So you're saying that billions of Muslims are praying to some phony and that we (Catholics) are the ones who are undisputedly right?


Nope.

I was answering the question if they're the same "god".

But, my personal opinion is that Christianity is correct and all other faiths (or lack thereof) are not. I am then also quick to say that anyone who spends time wondering what I believe probably needs to reassess their own life choices.

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My wife and I were raised Catholic. Our son is going to Pre-School at the Presbyterian Church by our house. We've gone to services on Sunday there and a lot of what the minister said is very appealing. They seem to be a very inclusive religion.


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So our God is better than their god?


No. The "god" they call upon does not exist. There's no comparative in this case, so there can't be an application of "better", "worse", etc. Can't have a big without a small, short without tall.

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So our God is better than their god?


No. The "god" they call upon does not exist. There's no comparative in this case, so there can't be an application of "better", "worse", etc. Can't have a big without a small, short without tall.


:lol:

My God is real, their god is made up bullshit.

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Keeping Score wrote:
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So our God is better than their god?


No. The "god" they call upon does not exist. There's no comparative in this case, so there can't be an application of "better", "worse", etc. Can't have a big without a small, short without tall.


So you're saying that we are better than them?



No, I'm saying what I'm saying and that's it. There's no hidden message or agenda.

Frankly, it begins to annoy that you are, for whatever reason, obfuscating what I say with things I am not saying.

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As a Lutheran, all I know is that you Catholics are all screwed up :wink:


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As a Lutheran, all I know is that you Catholics are all screwed up :wink:


In the Left Behind books, we cause the Rise of Anti-Christ.

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What about atheists and others of like thinking, are they all going to hell or what exactly becomes of them since they did not believe?


God only knows!


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What about atheists and others of like thinking, are they all going to hell or what exactly becomes of them since they did not believe?


They become Leviathan and are imprisoned in purgatory.

At least until Crowley wants to become King of Hell and let's them out.

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There's just no indisputable evidence for either side. I don't like to think I'm better than, or that my beliefs are better than or truer than anothers.


Jesus Christ .... that's the fucking point already. FAITH means NO EVIDENCE. You're never in a million years going to have hard evidence about God.

Here's what I'll say, then I'm going to go shoot people in the face in Borderlands 2. Actually not what I say, but a quote from Luther:

Every man must do two things alone; he must do his own believing and his own dying.

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I'm really not trying to annoy, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the fact that you think the majority of people on earth are worshipping like a Chia Pet or something, while us Christians are doing it right.
There's just no indisputable evidence for either side. I don't like to think I'm better than, or that my beliefs are better than or truer than anothers.


Why are you saying "us Christians". If you were really a Christian, wouldn't you agree with Don Tiny? If you don't think your beliefs are better, why the fuck are they your beliefs?

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Lately I've been trying to reconnect with my Catholic heritage. My Dad pretty much took the family full-tilt balls-out Jainism for most of my grade school years.

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I'm really not trying to annoy, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the fact that you think the majority of people on earth are worshipping like a Chia Pet or something, while us Christians are doing it right.
There's just no indisputable evidence for either side. I don't like to think I'm better than, or that my beliefs are better than or truer than anothers.


Why are you saying "us Christians". If you were really a Christian, wouldn't you agree with Don Tiny? If you don't think your beliefs are better, why the fuck are they your beliefs?


God created us equal. There shouldn't be a better.


Well, there has to be. Someone is right and someone is wrong. What do you think is going to happen on Judgment Day when you're facing God and he tells you you spent all that time praying to the wrong guy?

Why are so many people so unwilling to take a stand? It's "tolerance" gone wild. I'm not suggesting you go around knocking down Muslims or tearing turbans off Sikhs, but if you're really a Christian, you damn well better know and understand who your God is and why he's the one you are praying to. If not, what the fuck is the point?

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I just don't believe anybody is better.


Then you don't believe at all.

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You obviously haven't read the entire thread.


I've read what you typed right here.

Don't you think it's disingenuous to say you "believe" x, but the belief of someone who believes y is equal? When you say that, you sound like someone who believes nothing at all. That's fine, but own it.

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In reality, there is no way that any current religion is close to correct. Too many retellings and translations and corruptions by those who use religion to profit.

Be a good person. Do good things. Avoid doing bad things. Avoid immoral drugs. After you die, when they ask why should go to heaven just say you did good things. I can promise you one thing. When you die and are begging to get into heaven, attending church every Sunday and putting money in a collection tray won't keep a good person out or let a bad person in. However, allowing people to pay for "forgiveness" is a great way to pay the bills.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
In reality, there is no way that any current religion is close to correct. Too many retellings and translations and corruptions by those who use religion to profit.

Be a good person. Do good things. Avoid doing bad things. Avoid immoral drugs. After you die, when they ask why should go to heaven just say you did good things. I can promise you one thing. When you die and are begging to get into heaven, attending church every Sunday and putting money in a collection tray won't keep a good person out or let a bad person in. However, allowing people to pay for "forgiveness" is a great way to pay the bills.


Good works will not get you into heaven. Rick, have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior?

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What I really want to know is how can Keeping Score honor the beliefs of someone who doesn't believe in his God, but he cannot honor the beliefs of those who think Taylor Swift and Mike North suck?

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I lean more towards God and Allah being one in the same.


Nope. God sent his son, Jesus down here to die for your sins. Allah does not have a son. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet. Square those for me.

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And some things just don't make sense in this day and age.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Ridiculous. What if you have to work 7 days a week to make ends meet?


Oh, now you're going to try to find some loophole in God's laws. Are you sure you aren't Jewish?

And most modern Christians are too goddamn dumb to realize the Sabbath is Saturday.

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As a Lutheran, all I know is that you Catholics are all screwed up :wink:


Let me guess.

Misssouri Synod.

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I lean more towards God and Allah being one in the same.


Nope. God sent his son, Jesus down here to die for your sins. Allah does not have a son. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet. Square those for me.



Why weren't you yelling at Seacrest?


:lol: :lol:

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I lean more towards God and Allah being one in the same.


Nope. God sent his son, Jesus down here to die for your sins. Allah does not have a son. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet. Square those for me.


Which one did God tell you?

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Here's another one:

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

There's all kinds of studies out there, but one such study places the amount a person has lied by the age of 60 at 88,000 times.


Where exactly is the acceptable cutoff for Jesus, with or without repentance?


Once is too much without repentance.
As much as you want as long as you confess and say our 5 Our Fathers and 5 Hail Marys.

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I've decided I want to fight you gently.


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In listening to the "Christians" on this board- Don Tiny excepted- it's pretty clear why Christianity is a religion on the wane while Islam is on the rise. I hardly think you will be able to find many Muslims who will agree that your God is equal to theirs. While you are elevating Allah to sit at the same table with Yahweh, they are planning to cut your head off for suggesting Jesus is greater than Muhammad. "There is no God but God and Muhammad is his Prophet." That isn't some innocuous religious dogma. That's a manifesto. That's a threat.

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