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I was being kind. They will suck from the opening gun. Are you guys happy now?

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73-89.

Improved pitching but sub par offensively. This season has more to do with what happens with the development of the young talent, both at the minor league and major league level.

I think Rizzo is a keeper, Castillo has a chance to be a solid regular and Castro continues to improve. Shark I feel is a top 3 starter, maybe top 2 but not an elite ace. BJax has a chance but doubtful. Barney's ceiling isn't all that high and they should listen to trade offers coming off the gold glove campaign. Everybody else is a journeyman type.

The Garza situation is the most intriguing and they either extend him by the deadline or move him although they may hang on to him to get a draft pick since are sure to tender him of they keep him. He may even be gone prior to the season given the new CBA.

The major hope is Baez, Solerm Almora and some of the many arms they have develop at the minor league level. This trumps all for 2013.


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Ian Stewart is out 2 weeks for a mild quad pull. Shocker. Hopefully he is 1 quad out the door though I have no desire to watch Valbuena play at all. I'm all in on lillbridge going Iron Man this year and playing every game at third....unless Vitters somehow figures it out.

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This fucking Ian Stewart thing.....GO THE FUCK AWAY !!!! CUT HIM !!!! Jesus H Christ, you would think that he was good at baseball. Put anyone else over there and move on. You blew a trade....admit it and move on.

And 1 other thing, I heard last week that Sveum already named his 4th starter. Granted it's probably a non-issue, but how can you name someone the 4th starter when he hasn't pitched an inning in the spring? So if he sucks balls, he's guaranteed a spot?


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This fucking Ian Stewart thing.....GO THE FUCK AWAY !!!! CUT HIM !!!! Jesus H Christ, you would think that he was good at baseball. Put anyone else over there and move on. You blew a trade....admit it and move on.

And 1 other thing, I heard last week that Sveum already named his 4th starter. Granted it's probably a non-issue, but how can you name someone the 4th starter when he hasn't pitched an inning in the spring? So if he sucks balls, he's guaranteed a spot?


He didn't officially set the rotation. He said that's what he's leaning towards I believe. It's still a strange choice to say anything. I'm completely with you on Stewart. I'd be fine with the Cubs making a trade like the Sox just executed. Bring another bum in at third that can be a placeholder for a year.

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Brett Jackson is soooo good.


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In case anyone thought this would give Vitters some first team reps while Stewart was out then you are dead ass wrong. He tweaked his quad as well and is out the same amount of time. What the hell is going on with their off season strength and conditioning program? Muscle injuries don't fly.

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This fucking Ian Stewart thing.....GO THE FUCK AWAY !!!! CUT HIM !!!! Jesus H Christ, you would think that he was good at baseball. Put anyone else over there and move on. You blew a trade....admit it and move on.

This is the most cogent thing I have read in the Cubs section in at least 2 years.

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Tom Ricketts is like the guy who is playing Blackjack with the theory of doubling down each time until he wins big!

And of course you always run the risk you dont win a hand!

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This fucking Ian Stewart thing.....GO THE FUCK AWAY !!!! CUT HIM !!!! Jesus H Christ, you would think that he was good at baseball. Put anyone else over there and move on. You blew a trade....admit it and move on.

This is the most cogent thing I have read in the Cubs section in at least 2 years.


True, but does it really matter who is playing third base this year? I'd be more irritated that Matt Garza can't stay healthy. After Dumpster botched the Delgado deal, the Cubs need to get value for Garza.


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Peoria Matt wrote:
This fucking Ian Stewart thing.....GO THE FUCK AWAY !!!! CUT HIM !!!! Jesus H Christ, you would think that he was good at baseball. Put anyone else over there and move on. You blew a trade....admit it and move on.

This is the most cogent thing I have read in the Cubs section in at least 2 years.


True, but does it really matter who is playing third base this year? I'd be more irritated that Matt Garza can't stay healthy. After Dumpster botched the Delgado deal, the Cubs need to get value for Garza.

It only matters for my sanity when I am watching the games. Stewart is abysmal. And I concur with you on Garza would be nice for him to put together a strong first half so we can get value for him but he seems like a head case so who knows.

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MESA, Ariz. — A persistent father leaned into the Cubs dugout Tuesday at Hohokam Stadium to get Theo Epstein's attention.

For several minutes in excruciating detail, the man asked Epstein's advice in dealing with a son struggling to make his baseball team. Practicing what he preaches to fans, Epstein patiently listened to someone out there who still thought the Cubs president had all the answers.

"I'd like to help but I don't know the situation,'' Epstein said politely.

Refreshingly, Epstein knows what he doesn't know. As Epstein closes in on 40 next December and distances himself from his rock-star persona in baseball, self-awareness remains the self-deprecating executive's biggest strength. So Epstein didn't dare predict how a 2013 season he framed as a playoffs-or-sell-off proposition will unfold — but interestingly did share his pragmatic plan in case it unravels.

"What I want to avoid is the middle ground,'' Epstein said. "It'd be nice to make the playoffs or get a protected draft pick (awarded the bottom nine teams). We're not hiding that. There's no glory in 78 wins instead of 73. Who cares?

"We're going to see where we are and take a real cold assessment in the middle of the season. If we have a legitimate chance to push for a playoff spot then 2013 can become our primary focus. If we think a playoff spot's not in the cards, there will be no concern for appearances or cosmetics whatsoever. We'll continue to address our future and trade off some pieces that would keep us respectable.''

Consider yourself warned, Wrigleyville. If you thought last September was bad, this could look worse. This could result in a month ugly enough to make rooftop owners want to block their own views.

"Those are the type of things we have to be tough enough to withstand,'' Epstein said. "I hope we surprise some people. There is definitely more talent here than people give us credit for.''

If you believed in baseball Theocracy when the Cubs hired Epstein in October 2011, nothing has shaken that belief. Not 101 losses. Not dumping Ryan Dempster or delays in Wrigley Field renovation. Not anything.

Epstein still has the right answers because he asks the essential question nobody in charge ever dared: Why not try building a winner from the bottom up by revamping the minor league system? If anything has changed about Epstein since he arrived in Chicago billed as the savior, it might be the 39-year-old has become less guarded and even more introspective as he embraces the city's "Midwestern sensibility.''

That term came up during an easygoing conversation when Epstein explained why Cubs fans readily accept sacrificing seasons in the name of winning in 2015. Why can Epstein get away with placing minor league development ahead of major league success in a major market?

"We're being transparent and they're responding by giving back faith, belief and energy,'' Epstein said.

Credit fans who enjoy watching young players grow up and the Cubs' failure to win the other way by investing in overpriced free-agents, Epstein reasoned. It says everything about the state of the Cubs that the highlight of Epstein's tenure came last fall in Arizona when he attended an instructional league workout and finally detected "The Cubs Way.''

"It was really invigorating,'' Epstein said. "I know this sounds silly coming off the year we had but we are really clicking on all cylinders in scouting and player development.''

Baseball America agrees, ranking four Cubs prospects among the game's top 100. One baseball executive projected the Cubs could have six by next spring. Everybody in Cubdom has heard of phenoms Jorge Soler, Albert Almora and Javier Baez. Most days, Epstein stares at his computer watching video of minor leaguers in search of the next Starlin Castro or Anthony Rizzo.

Speaking of Rizzo, Epstein invoked his name during one of those intermittent bouts of introspection. Apparently trading for Rizzo, a former Red Sox draft pick, represented one of two things every new executive does after taking over a team.

"Typically, they make a pretty good trade with a player they're familiar with (Rizzo) and, two, they'll screw up a trade because they won't have the first-hand knowledge you need with some players in their own organization,'' Epstein said. "We definitely did that.''

The rare mistake Epstein admitted came in December 2011 when the Cubs traded outfielder Tyler Colvin and infielder D.J. LeMahieu to the Rockies. Another happened when the Cubs left Ryan Flaherty unprotected in the Rule 5 draft and the Orioles signed the second baseman, who started in the playoffs.

"We fell into some familiar traps,'' Epstein said.

They will fall some more, Epstein acknowledged. But the encouraging difference in Epstein's regime is he focuses less about the Cubs getting up than staying on top once they do.

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MESA, Ariz. — A persistent father leaned into the Cubs dugout Tuesday at Hohokam Stadium to get Theo Epstein's attention.

For several minutes in excruciating detail, the man asked Epstein's advice in dealing with a son struggling to make his baseball team. Practicing what he preaches to fans, Epstein patiently listened to someone out there who still thought the Cubs president had all the answers.

"I'd like to help but I don't know the situation,'' Epstein said politely.

Refreshingly, Epstein knows what he doesn't know. As Epstein closes in on 40 next December and distances himself from his rock-star persona in baseball, self-awareness remains the self-deprecating executive's biggest strength. So Epstein didn't dare predict how a 2013 season he framed as a playoffs-or-sell-off proposition will unfold — but interestingly did share his pragmatic plan in case it unravels.

"What I want to avoid is the middle ground,'' Epstein said. "It'd be nice to make the playoffs or get a protected draft pick (awarded the bottom nine teams). We're not hiding that. There's no glory in 78 wins instead of 73. Who cares?

"We're going to see where we are and take a real cold assessment in the middle of the season. If we have a legitimate chance to push for a playoff spot then 2013 can become our primary focus. If we think a playoff spot's not in the cards, there will be no concern for appearances or cosmetics whatsoever. We'll continue to address our future and trade off some pieces that would keep us respectable.''

Consider yourself warned, Wrigleyville. If you thought last September was bad, this could look worse. This could result in a month ugly enough to make rooftop owners want to block their own views.

"Those are the type of things we have to be tough enough to withstand,'' Epstein said. "I hope we surprise some people. There is definitely more talent here than people give us credit for.''

If you believed in baseball Theocracy when the Cubs hired Epstein in October 2011, nothing has shaken that belief. Not 101 losses. Not dumping Ryan Dempster or delays in Wrigley Field renovation. Not anything.

Epstein still has the right answers because he asks the essential question nobody in charge ever dared: Why not try building a winner from the bottom up by revamping the minor league system? If anything has changed about Epstein since he arrived in Chicago billed as the savior, it might be the 39-year-old has become less guarded and even more introspective as he embraces the city's "Midwestern sensibility.''

That term came up during an easygoing conversation when Epstein explained why Cubs fans readily accept sacrificing seasons in the name of winning in 2015. Why can Epstein get away with placing minor league development ahead of major league success in a major market?

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Credit fans who enjoy watching young players grow up and the Cubs' failure to win the other way by investing in overpriced free-agents, Epstein reasoned. It says everything about the state of the Cubs that the highlight of Epstein's tenure came last fall in Arizona when he attended an instructional league workout and finally detected "The Cubs Way.''

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Baseball America agrees, ranking four Cubs prospects among the game's top 100. One baseball executive projected the Cubs could have six by next spring. Everybody in Cubdom has heard of phenoms Jorge Soler, Albert Almora and Javier Baez. Most days, Epstein stares at his computer watching video of minor leaguers in search of the next Starlin Castro or Anthony Rizzo.

Speaking of Rizzo, Epstein invoked his name during one of those intermittent bouts of introspection. Apparently trading for Rizzo, a former Red Sox draft pick, represented one of two things every new executive does after taking over a team.

"Typically, they make a pretty good trade with a player they're familiar with (Rizzo) and, two, they'll screw up a trade because they won't have the first-hand knowledge you need with some players in their own organization,'' Epstein said. "We definitely did that.''

The rare mistake Epstein admitted came in December 2011 when the Cubs traded outfielder Tyler Colvin and infielder D.J. LeMahieu to the Rockies. Another happened when the Cubs left Ryan Flaherty unprotected in the Rule 5 draft and the Orioles signed the second baseman, who started in the playoffs.

"We fell into some familiar traps,'' Epstein said.

They will fall some more, Epstein acknowledged. But the encouraging difference in Epstein's regime is he focuses less about the Cubs getting up than staying on top once they do.

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Why is it hilarious? Isn't that what you want to happen right now?

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Why is it hilarious? Isn't that what you want to happen right now?

Yes, I just think how he phrased it sounds bad and that quote will be ridiculed by the Theo haters


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Why is it hilarious? Isn't that what you want to happen right now?

Yes, I just think how he phrased it sounds bad and that quote will be ridiculed by the Theo haters

True, but they are going to hate no matter what happens.

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RFDC wrote:
Why is it hilarious? Isn't that what you want to happen right now?

Yes, I just think how he phrased it sounds bad and that quote will be ridiculed by the Theo haters

True, but they are going to hate no matter what happens.

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Loved this quote

"What I want to avoid is the middle ground,'' Epstein said. "It'd be nice to make the playoffs or get a protected draft pick (awarded the bottom nine teams). We're not hiding that. There's no glory in 78 wins instead of 73. Who cares?

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Loved this quote

"What I want to avoid is the middle ground,'' Epstein said. "It'd be nice to make the playoffs or get a protected draft pick (awarded the bottom nine teams). We're not hiding that. There's no glory in 78 wins instead of 73. Who cares?

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"We're being transparent and they're responding by giving back faith, belief and energy,'' Epstein said.


and Hendry said
and Lynch said
and Himes said
and Frey said

"Giving back faith, belief and energy" sounds strangely like a religion, or a cult, if you will. But there is no cult of Theo.

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Loved this quote

"What I want to avoid is the middle ground,'' Epstein said. "It'd be nice to make the playoffs or get a protected draft pick (awarded the bottom nine teams). We're not hiding that. There's no glory in 78 wins instead of 73. Who cares?


I'll just keep pointing to the fact that signing Edwin Jackson is the most inconsistent move they have made. He is more likely to get you to your 78 wins and he is cost you to do it.

I think Theo is a decent evaluator of amateur talent and a pretty bad evaluator of MLB talent.

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I think Theo is a decent evaluator of amateur talent and a pretty bad evaluator of MLB talent.

Could certainly make that case, but dont forget some of the early moves, like getting David Ortiz and Bill Mueller


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Northside_Dan wrote:
Loved this quote

"What I want to avoid is the middle ground,'' Epstein said. "It'd be nice to make the playoffs or get a protected draft pick (awarded the bottom nine teams). We're not hiding that. There's no glory in 78 wins instead of 73. Who cares?


I'll just keep pointing to the fact that signing Edwin Jackson is the most inconsistent move they have made. He is more likely to get you to your 78 wins and he is cost you to do it.

I think Theo is a decent evaluator of amateur talent and a pretty bad evaluator of MLB talent.


I think that's fair. 13m per is a lot for a at best 3rd starter and will likely be too much money to ship at a trade deadline for what they can reasonably expect his production to be.

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Northside_Dan wrote:
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Northside_Dan wrote:
Loved this quote

"What I want to avoid is the middle ground,'' Epstein said. "It'd be nice to make the playoffs or get a protected draft pick (awarded the bottom nine teams). We're not hiding that. There's no glory in 78 wins instead of 73. Who cares?


I'll just keep pointing to the fact that signing Edwin Jackson is the most inconsistent move they have made. He is more likely to get you to your 78 wins and he is cost you to do it.

I think Theo is a decent evaluator of amateur talent and a pretty bad evaluator of MLB talent.


I think that's fair. 13m per is a lot for a at best 3rd starter and will likely be too much money to ship at a trade deadline for what they can reasonably expect his production to be.

I think the Edwin Jackson shows the inflated market for starters who can throw 200 innings consistently in the MLB right now. I mean Grienke got 150M and he isn't really that good.

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