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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:03 am 
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I had a theory that Epstein was kind of thumbing his nose by throwing Vitters and Jackson out there at the end of the year just to expose the drafting and prospect-hyping of the Hendry-Wilken regime.
Now that they have an influx of actual prospects; "See how much these Hendry guys suck!!"


and how do you know that Epstien's hyped prospects are any better than Hendry's hyped prospects, especially because Soler is the only one above A.

A lot of Hendry guys are still around and figure in the plan

Baez, Lake, Castro, Vogelbach, Maples....


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Baseball America Top 31 Prospects

http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/01/3 ... -for-2013/

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:26 pm 
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doesn't ranking the top 31 seem a bit ridiculous

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My how the mighty have fallen.


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Vogelbach!! He is going to be an excellent proven starting pitcher for the Cubs after he is traded to an american league team where his fat ass can DH or play 1st.

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Soler goes deep, draws BB and makes diving catch in first intrasquad game!

Could he be the real deal??!!

In 2015 or so of course.

:D :D :D


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Soler goes deep, draws BB and makes diving catch in first intrasquad game!

Could he be the real deal??!!

In 2015 or so of course.

:D :D :D

Bet he is up in Sept after his clock stops ticking for payment of future years. Alomora also. Future is so bright gotta wear shades. 8) 8)


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Interesting read on minor leaguer player compensation from The Cub Reporter:

http://www.thecubreporter.com/

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The Cubs have officially signed the 21 pre-arbitration players on their MLB 40-man roster to 2013 major league contracts.



A player on the MLB 40-man roster who is not yet eligible for salary arbitration is at the mercy of the club as far as salary is concerned. The player's salary is determined by the club, as long as it meets the minimum salary as set forth in the CBA.



While a club could pay all of it's pre-arbitration players the MLB minimum salary up until the player becomes eligible for salary arbitration, in practice that does not happen. Clubs pay players who perform above minumum expectation a higher salary. It's not a lot more money, but it could be as much as $50K or even $100K over the MLB minumum salary, depending upon how many years of MLB Service Time the player has accrued and how well the player has performed at the MLB level during that time. (In other words, although they both could be paid the same salary, fact is Darwin Barney will get a higher 2013 salary than Hector Rondon).



A player not yet eligible for salary arbitration is signed to what is called a "split" contract, meaning the player is paid at the "major league rate" for whatever number of days the player spends on the MLB 25-man Active List or MLB 15-day or 60-day DL during the regular season, and is paid at the "minor league rate" (or "minor league split" salary) for any days spent on optional assignment to a minor league affiliate.



The 2013 minimum salary for any player on the 25-man roster or 15-day or 60-day DL during the regular season is $490K (it was $480K in 2012, and increases to $500K next season), and the player's major league salary must be at least 80% of the player's salary from the previous season, and at least 70% of the player's salary from two seasons back.



The salary is pro-rated per day (the MLB regular season runs 183-days), so if a player making the MLB minumum salary spends ten days on the MLB 25-man roster in 2013, he would get paid $2,678 per day, or $26,678 over that ten-day period. The rest of the days he would get paid at the minor league "split" rate.



The minor league split minimum varies, depending on whether the player has accrued any MLB Service Time and whether the player is signing his first "major league" contract.



For players who are signing their first major league contract, the minor league split minimum is $39,950 in 2013. Players in this class would include Trey McNutt, Christian Villanueva, Logan Watkins, and Rob Whitenack. As long as they remain on Optional Assignment and do not accrue any MLB Service Time in 2013, they each will receive a $39,950 annual salary.



Players who have not accrued any MLB Service Time who are not signing their first MLB contract have a $79,900 minimum minor league split 2013 salary while they are on Optional Assignment. This would include players like Junior Lake and Matt Szczur.



Then there is everybody else.



A player's minor league split salary must be at least 60% of what the player was actually paid in salary the previous season. So (for example) in the case of Steve Clevenger (who spent the entire 2012 season on the Cubs 25-man roster or 15-day DL), his 2013 minor league split salary must be at least $288K (60% of his 2012 salary). So if Clevenger is optioned to Iowa and spends the entire season there, he gets paid $288K. And then if he is still on the 40-man roster in 2014, his minor league split salary must be at least $173K (at least 60% of what he was paid in 2013). That's why players sometimes get non-tendered, because non-tendering a player removes minimum salary requirements.



Lendy Castillo is making $288K in 2013 even though he is on a minor league roster, because he was paid $480K (the 2012 major league minimum salary) last season and he was tendered a 2013 major league contract prior to being outrighted.



So a player's "minor league split" varies depending on how much money the player was actually paid in salary the previous season, and whether this is the player's first "major league" contract (the first time he is on an MLB 40-man roster).



Essentially, if a player earned no more than $130K in salary last season, his minor league split the next season will not exceed the $79,900 2013 minor league split minimum. If he earned anything above $130K, his minor league split will exceed the minor league split minimum accordingly.



And for those of you wondering what the average salaries are for minor league players not on an MLB 40-man roster, it basically goes like this:



Players make about $800 per month the first season they sign after being drafted (not including the player's signing bonus). Players assigned to DSL or VSL rosters make about $300 per month. Then the player typically makes $8,000 for his first minor league full season (as the player's girlfriend or wife starts a second job), then $10,000 his second full season (this is usually when the player files for bankrupcy), then $13,000 (not including food stamps) when he hits AA, and up to about $17,000 when he reaches AAA.



Once the player becomes a minor league free-agernt, he can make considerably more money even if he has never played in the big leagues. A career "4-A" AAA player who becomes a minor league free-agent usually can make at least $25,000, and a AAA player with some MLB experience can make as much as $50K or $100K per season, depending on how the player performed the previous season and how much demand there is for the player's services during the off-season.


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I wonder what this week's Baez story will be about? It's never too soon to hype a A prospect.

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I wonder what this week's Baez story will be about? It's never too soon to hype a A prospect.

Once he has 1 home run and 4 RBI's we can start threads about him like Connor Gillespie


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I wonder what this week's Baez story will be about? It's never too soon to hype a A prospect.

Once he has 1 home run and 4 RBI's we can start threads about him like Connor Gillespie

:lol:

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I wonder what this week's Baez story will be about? It's never too soon to hype a A prospect.

Once he has 1 home run and 4 RBI's we can start threads about him like Connor Gillespie

:lol:


One of them will be on an MLB roster this year. The other one will have an MLB tattoo (and I know this because it has been in at least two feature articles on the man that I have read).

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So per GD

Connor> Javier

I will wait until the HOF speeches are written!

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So per GD

Connor> Javier

I will wait until the HOF speeches are written!


on the MLB level, of course that is true...but this isn't about the greatness of Conor Gillaspie. This is about hyping a product that is most likely years away from the MLB

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So per GD

Connor> Javier

I will wait until the HOF speeches are written!


on the MLB level, of course that is true...but this isn't about the greatness of Conor Gillaspie. This is about hyping a product that is most likely years away from the MLB


Hype, the Sox organization should try it....it pays the Bills

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It's Sunday. Hey look, another Baez feature piece. How will the Sun Times fill the Cubs section when he gets sent down?

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It's Sunday. Hey look, another Baez feature piece. How will the Sun Times fill the Cubs section when he gets sent down?

Is that a question for Cub fans...er?


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Albert Almora
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Not a good day! Broke my Hamate bone!

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Almora broke the bone swinging a bat and will require minor surgery. The Cubs said he will need three-to-four weeks before resuming baseball activity.

Almora is projected to open the season at Class A Kane County, and he’ll begin on the disabled list. He should return to game action in late May.

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Nick Markakis had the surgery last year and was back in 4 weeks


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Nick Markakis had the surgery last year and was back in 4 weeks


I'm waiting to see what bernstein and Thurgood have to say about this.

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Nick Markakis had the surgery last year and was back in 4 weeks


I'm waiting to see what bernstein and Thurgood have to say about this.

I like how Thurgood spreads himself out over several SCORE shows.


He is very adept at hinting racism


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Nick Markakis had the surgery last year and was back in 4 weeks


I'm waiting to see what bernstein and Thurgood have to say about this.

I like how Thurgood spreads himself out over several SCORE shows.


He is very adept at hinting racism


I found it very funny that the consensus on this board is that Thurgood's medical opinions are worse than dr. bernstein's. They both sound equally idiotic when talking about this shit. Though Thurgood's position that every case is different is really difficult to attack unless you're Ike Peeps.

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Brother JORR, you're hatred of Bernsie clouded your judgement yesterday.

It's rare when Dan is the voice of reason. But that's what happened yesterday with dipshit Thurgood.

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And Thurgood's position wasn't that every case was different.

His position was that doctor's aren't always right because he's handled malpractice cases and Dick Butkus was told he was fine 40 years ago.

Bernstein said that every doctor, including the one who did Rose's surgery, says the final step of rehab is to get back out and play. Thurgood couldn't wrap his mind around this.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nick Markakis had the surgery last year and was back in 4 weeks


I'm waiting to see what bernstein and Thurgood have to say about this.

I like how Thurgood spreads himself out over several SCORE shows.


He is very adept at hinting racism


I found it very funny that the consensus on this board is that Thurgood's medical opinions are worse than dr. bernstein's. They both sound equally idiotic when talking about this shit. Though Thurgood's position that every case is different is really difficult to attack unless you're Ike Peeps.


If Herm oversaw his stretching, he would not have got hurt! Have you seen Herms amazing record of keeping guys healthy! It is amazing?

Almost as if they acquire guys after they got major injuries...hmmm...

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Brother JORR, you're hatred of Bernsie clouded your judgement yesterday.

It's rare when Dan is the voice of reason. But that's what happened yesterday with dipshit Thurgood.


We're in agreement on the dipshitness of Thurgood.

But I just find bernstein overbearing and stupid whenever he tries to play doctor on the radio. I find his position is idiotic. "Just trust your doctor." "All doctors agree." A hundred and fifty years ago all doctors agreed on putting leeches on you.

My girlfriend tends to be like bernstein in that regard. If a Really Smart Doctor says something, it's gospel. I've seen too many doctors be wrong about shit. My mom is really sick and of course, I listen to her doctor's advice. But like I told my girlfriend, he has hundreds of patients. I have one patient. I think it's pretty damn likely I know a little more about that one patient in some regards than a doctor does. Reggie and Derrick Rose have one patient too.

Finally, I think it's funny how people find medicine so sophisticated today when it's obviously far less sophisticated than it will likely be in 100 years (assuming we can repeal Obamacare). We have our leeches today. Most people just don't see it that way. They think the past was black and white and Babe Ruth ran like a cripple and Dick Butkus was tiny and people were stupid and foolish. They laugh at medicine shows at the same time they're going on line to purchase a year's supply of acai berries.

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That was an awful lot of words just to say "You were right Peeps".

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That was an awful lot of words just to say "You were right Peeps".

:D


Are you sure Ike South isn't your mult? :lol:

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