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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:44 pm 
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How many businesses in major cities are allowed to run their businesses fully as they please, though? And as for other major league teams, most of them are shadowy, elaborate corporate welfare schemes that exist virtually above all laws and jurisdictions--there's one just a few stops down the line--and so I guess all you can do is concede that you're not one of them and settle for the moral high ground of not being part of a big American problem.

Are the rooftops theft? In a sense, yes, more or less on the same level of scalping -- a practice which the Cubs engage in with themselves, let's not forget. So of course the Cubs are entitled to more than 17% of that. But they're part of the package now, like it or not, and the Cubs don't get to run roughshod over them any more than they do the stores that sell Cubs shirts or the restaurants that sell hot dogs and hamburgers, no matter how much Tommy Boy stamps his feet and says he's a real business and he should be the only one within eyesight of Wrigley Field.

I don't think there's any point in threatening anymore. It's an empty threat. It's always been an empty threat. Of all the baseball teams that have shaken down their cities by threatening to move, we've had one relocation in over forty years, and that was less a direct response to Montreal calling the Expos' bluff as it was good old Jeff Loria letting the team die a slow, disemboweled death. I mean, who'd pay them to build their billion-dollar Dan Bernstein wet dream of monopolistic baseball commerce, anyway? Not the state, not a city, and God knows they themselves don't have the money.


I wouldn't say that they won't pay for it themselves. They are already half way there with what they are paying to renovate Wrigley. And ok. In Schaumburg or wherever you have less of the "frat boys fresh off the Red Line" but how much more in profits could you make off a modern stadium? And like attendance would be an issue without the "neighborhood charm" if the Cubs were winning every year.

Look at the Hawks. In the late 90's early 2000's you could have a section of the 300 level to yourself on a weeknight. Now that they are winning you are dropping a hundo just to get in the door and stand some nights. And that area sucked balls until the recent growth spurt of business after the winning started.


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It will be interesting given the Opening Day deadline Ricketts has set to see what he will do if no deal gets done. He'd be an idiot not to start looking elsewhere and create some leverage.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:06 pm 
If you wanna talk about creating a carnival atmosphere someplace else, what about the abandoned Sheraton property in Arlington? Huge space. Right off 2 exits on 53. Accessible pretty easy from 90 if you know what you're doing. Metra stop right there. Arlington Park and their huge parking lots right there.... you don't think Twin Spires would pony up to help with the construction costs to get a piece of the parking and non baseball event action? Not to mention all the "track then a game" or "game then the track" business they would pick up. I'm sure ideas like that are out there. Just threaten one of them and put these idiots in their place.


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The Sheraton in Arlington Hts is going to be redeveloped into luxury apartments and a smalller hotel connected to the water park. Or at least final approval was given by Arlington Hts in 2012. I'm not sure if the developer has begun the project.


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And like attendance would be an issue without the "neighborhood charm" if the Cubs were winning every year.


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Wow, your need to defend Obama at every corner is only equaled by Franks need to defend anything that even hints at WHITE SOX crticism.

I used Obama as an example of poor leadership and poor mediation. It is his primary job and the same thing with Tunney. It is his job to find a middle ground.

While I know in both cases they are working on it, neither have worked on it, like their jobs depend on it and they should.

It is a basic problem I have with most government officials, that they just dont work hard. If they need to work on a deadline, they always need to make sure we know about it.

I think Most government officials never worked in a real job and thus this type of lay back until the last minute is now becoming way to acceptable in Government and now to the American people.

Your premise that I HATE Obama is wrong. I once voted for him. He seems like a great guy, great people skills and he does care, but YOU seem to ignore the facts that he is amassing a national debt that is unseen before and somehow will need to be paid back and the premise of taking it from the rich...even if it happens does not even come close to covering the expenditures. He is overmatched and has resorted to PR stunts to try and win approval. Why? I have no idea, he won the election.

I have an issue with Obama supporters, that can't see the downside to what he has been doing and how it is creating such a huge problem down the line. Seems that Obama can do no wrong is some views, which is terribly wrong.

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It is not possible to tax our way out of the financial problem we have.

We have a 2% reduction in future increases and the administration says it's going to be armageddon. But...
the dow skyrockets... and Obama gets credit? It confuses me because everything bad has been the fault of "headwinds". What mixed messages we've been getting.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:54 pm 
Seriously Biggie. This is a Cubs thread. Find and quote where I defended Obama. I asked you what the fuck he had to do with the Cubs deal. Get the sand out of your vagina there big guy.


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There has never been a time since the Ricketts bought the Cubs that their producrt was being stolen.

The rooftop owners, who give 17 percent of their annual revenue to the Cubs under a 20-year deal brokered by Tunney, fear their lucrative birds-eye views will be blocked if the Cubs put up signs in the outfield. They also say it would violate their deal with the Cubs.

Owners of the 16 rooftop clubs proposed a plan to place signs on their buildings and give all the resulting revenue to the Cubs. In exchange, they asked for a nine-year extension on their contrac


GD makes some great points about their stupidity also.
And Dennis Culloton as your spokesman? Really?

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I'm not so much sticking up for the Ricketts family as I am fed up with the political games that they are being forced to play. They own the Cubs. They own the building. No other team in MLB has to deal with the restrictions that they have to. Tom R put it really well when he said they are a business, not a museum.

I'm not saying I want the Cubs to leave Wrigley. Far from it (faaaaaaar from it). But the Alderman and his precious rooftop owners need to wake up and at least see the threat of the Cubs leaving or they will just continue to push the Cubs around. The rooftops were cute when it was 2 guys with a BBQ and lawn chairs or a girl and her dog (I have family members who did that back in the day). Now they are a multimillion dollar industry based completely off the, let's call it what it is, theft of somebody else's product. They don't have a leg to stand on other than the Alderman and his zoning laws. The fact that their latest offer was "here. We'll pay to put up advertising on our businesses and you can keep all the profits" shows that they know it and are scared. If at least the threat of leaving, like the Chariman did back in 1989, is out there I think there would be a quantum shift of attitude from Tunney and the rooftoop owners. If the Cubs left, the rooftops go belly up and Wrigleyville becomes Uptown. Biggie would be the expert on this side but I would bet property values in the area take a nosedive. Nobody wants to see the Cubs leave. But nobody is gonna let them run their business how they want until the threat is there.


Fuck,this is a milestone. Bigger than me being nice to CI. I agree with McNown on this 100%.
The rooftops should have no fucking say in what the Cubs do. They are parasites leaching off of someone else. They give up 17% of what they steal off of the Cubs,Tony Soprano would like that kickback to Johnny Sac.

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I don't think anyone would argue that they could stand to give more to the Cubs. But let's abandon this tack and talk about how putting giant billboards up in such a way as to block the rooftops in the first place would look really fucking ugly and shouldn't be done on a purely aesthetic basis. It's another slash to the golden goose. We don't want Wrigley to look like where the Mets play.

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I don't think anyone would argue that they could stand to give more to the Cubs. But let's abandon this tack and talk about how putting giant billboards up in such a way as to block the rooftops in the first place would look really fucking ugly and shouldn't be done on a purely aesthetic basis. It's another slash to the golden goose. We don't want Wrigley to look like where the Mets play.


If those billboards are in the back of the ballpark, how much are you really looking at them? You look in the direction of the field of play. The people that see the billboards are Television viewers. Are they going to detract slightly from the ballpark's appearance...probably. But if it brings in 10 million dollars or more a year and that money goes towards better players that allow the team a better chance to compete for a WS title, I'm okay with it. It's not gonna be any major change. How much does the Toyota sign really bother anyone Doesn't bother me.

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If those billboards are in the back of the ballpark, how much are you really looking at them?

The whole time if you're sitting on a rooftop.


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They don't have a leg to stand on other than the Alderman and his zoning laws. .


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Curious Hair wrote:
I don't think anyone would argue that they could stand to give more to the Cubs. But let's abandon this tack and talk about how putting giant billboards up in such a way as to block the rooftops in the first place would look really fucking ugly and shouldn't be done on a purely aesthetic basis. It's another slash to the golden goose. We don't want Wrigley to look like where the Mets play.


If those billboards are in the back of the ballpark, how much are you really looking at them? You look in the direction of the field of play. The people that see the billboards are Television viewers. Are they going to detract slightly from the ballpark's appearance...probably. But if it brings in 10 million dollars or more a year and that money goes towards better players that allow the team a better chance to compete for a WS title, I'm okay with it. It's not gonna be any major change. How much does the Toyota sign really bother anyone Doesn't bother me.



There are no roof tops that need to look over or through the Toyota sign.

The new signs would block the view of roof top owners in left and right field.

The Cubs currently have a legal contract with the roof top owners. And are being paid a fee that they negotiated.

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