Part of the problem I have with the Stones is that I was raised on my dad's old funk/soul records (seeing Tower of Power in a few weeks!) and then later B96 music circa 1993-1996. So basically, not unlike the snakes in "Whacking Day," I need bass frequencies. "Let's Spend the Night Together," among so many other Stones songs, has the audio properties of a saltine cracker: thin, dry, prone to breaking in half. "Gimme Shelter" is one of the only times they fill out the bottom end.

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You must hate And Justice For All

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You know, that's precisely why I don't get into much metal, and I've had this conversation with several other people! Metal is all treble/midrange. There's no richness to it.

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now see...that's true! Also, a lot of Ozzie's early stuff...

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

Ugh, that's right....the bass in that is non-existent. Sometimes I wonder if those fuck heads did it to Newsted on purpose.

Still a great album.

somebody posted this here once before, maybe rents? Apologai to the original author, but still a fun little thingy.

http://quoperative.com/gimmeshelter/

edit: damn. Stones must have threatened to sue. It was totally cool as the site allowed you to pull out each instrument/singer.

Does anyone else know of, and like, Neil Hamburger? His bit was that he was the world's worst stand-up comic. Sounds like a pretty basic concept, and, well, it is, but it was all in the execution. Seek out America's Funnyman.

Anyway, the best part is when he does the whole cliched bit about how this is a live album, so make yourselves heard, and everyone does, but one guy goes right up to the mic and yells "METALLICA!!!! MET-ALL-IC-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!" into the mic so loud that it distorts, and what I'm getting at here is that every time Metallica is mentioned, I think of that and laugh.

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I think the mere fact that George Martin gets mentioned so often speaks to the overproduction. And
Let It Be features some of the rawest cuts in the entire Beatles catalog, "Don't Let Me Down", "Dig a Pony", and "I've Got a Feeling"

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Neil Hamburger is an interesting cat. I have to say I appreciate what he is doing more than I actually enjoy it if that makes sense.

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A few more thoughts from your boy, Joe Orr Rock and Roll:

First, let's not misremember the Beatles the way so many misremember Michael Jordan- as if all parts of their games were functioning at once. The early Beatles that played live constantly weren't much different from many other skiffle groups playing in England at the time. When they first came to the U.S. they were more like Justin Bieber than what I would call a real rock band. Later when they began stretching out with Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper's, etc. they stopped playing live at all. That's why I wouldn't really group them with the Stones, Zeppelin, or the Who. They're different than those bands- more important in many ways. But those bands that followed them created all the rock star cliches. The incendiary guitar hero and the frontman/lead singer with awesome hair. The Beatles weren't that.

Also, I think Faces on their best days were as good as any of those bands and a good argument could be made for Rod Stewart as the greatest rock vocalist ever.

"Shattered" is the Stones version of a punk rock song. Some Girls is a distillation of life in NYC during the late 70s through the eyes of ex-pat Brit rock stars. You want disco? They were going to show you they could play dance music. You like punk rock? They could do that too. I'm not saying it worked perfectly. It's not Sticky Fingers or Beggar's Banquet, but it was a bold statement at the time.

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I enjoy Faces. Rod was good, yes. Rod also stopped being a "rock" vocalist well before he could have to attained the title greatest rock vocalist ever.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I remember reading in Creem or Circus this line about Rod:

"Rarely has a rock vocalist been so talented. Even more rarely has such a vocalist betrayed his talent."

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Man some of those faces tracks are just killer. One of the few bands that could out blues the Stones

If you have 45 mins to kill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xHBjeiqzkQ

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@ Don Tiny His hair was Perfect nyyuuut

Yup. Killer. The outfits are killer too.

Agreed. I'm a huge RodFather fan as well as the Faces. He puts on a hell of a live show as well.

The stretch of Beggars to Exile was some of the best rock/blues ever and it def. holds up with the "Best Ever" bands listed by some on here. That's how good those albums were, I'm will to forgive Bigger Bang, Steel Wheels, Dirty Work and the bloat just because they made those. The stuff from Goat Heads Soup to Some Girls ranges from great to below average but it is still strong for the most part. After that the well ran dry and they didn't have much to give, too much "by the numbers" songs that were produced by "The Committee on How to Make Songs the Sound Like Rolling Stones Songs."

metal bands with low end:
lamb of god
meshuggah
pantera
slipknot

there are many others...

Yes, James and Lars purposefully made the bass non-existent in the mix on And Justice For All. They did this both as part of his continued initiation (i.e. not being Cliff Burton) and James "scooping" his 12-15 band e.q. in the studio. scooping the e.q. is the classic way to get the metal sound. raise the bass frequencies, V-shape the mids, raise the high end. once a guitar is scooped there really isn't much room for the bass. the guitar is not dominating the highest lows and lowest highs of the bass guitar frequency....enter Bob Rock.

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With regard to the Stones being a truer appropriation of the blues than Led Zeppelin, who blew it up into something totally new, well, why not just listen to actual blues instead of well-educated Britons playing the blues? And if we want to go into the Stones' rootsier stuff as Foreigners Capturing Real Americana, both The Band and Neil Young were better than them in that department, too.

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Just a thought, The Band and Neil Young grouping requires a new label. AmeriCanada.

Well, they took that blues sound somewhere else. A record like Exile documents a certain time and place. Besides that, the Stones invented the rock and roll extravaganza. When you think of the cliches of the British rock star that is Mick and Keith.

And Canadians aren't really foreigners, are they?

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by the way...how "produced" can you really be when recording 2-tracks live?
upgrading to 4-track, bouncing it to two, and then adding two more tracks...etc?

back in the day, i have a tendency to believe that "produced" meant "play that chord progression 4x instead of 8x."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatle ... technology

"produced" to me is 70 guitar "parts" on one song. overdubbing strings until you create an orchestra, recording each note individually like Mutt Lange made Def Leppard do for Hysteria.

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I think it's relative to what was happening at the time.

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Zeppelin
Beatles
The Who
Stones

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Zeppelin is ridiculous:

https://soundcloud.com/joe-orr-road-rod ... lotta-love

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So who would be the best 4 bands since 1980?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Stop wondering. They did.

I've long wished that they would remaster that album. Since Lars is such a money hungry douchebag, I'm surprised they haven't.

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I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out. - Bill Hicks

Let's do it for Johnny!

I like the bass in Iron Maiden.

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Also not really considered metal Van Halen has the drums and Mike Anthony's bass pretty prominent in the mix.

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