Ok, so Samardzija doubles his inning total, but he should be fine.

What exactly is the "abuse line of demarcation" here?

Is it 100 innings? Or... does it go by pitches? At what point would the "fine" samardzija have ben "abused"?
If the Cubs were in contention and the end of last season like the Sox were... would you have supported the abuse of Samardzija?

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Samardzjia is 6 foot 5 , 225 pounds. He's better able to stand up to an increase, But the Cubs were wise to shut him down after 174 innings. So ....No, he was not abused last season. He was handled in a more prudent manner.

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But in 2012, he pitched almost double the innings of 2011. and in 2011 he pitched 4 times the number of innings of 2010. Didn't you say it wasn't really the number of innings but the magnitude of the increase?

As for the size... are you trying to say that being thin makes him more prone to injury? Can you back that up with data?

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If the Cubs were in contention going down to the last three games like the Sox were, would you have supported the abuse of Samardzija?

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Holy Christ I almost missed this one....

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His innings total in 2011( as a relief pitcher) was 88. Doubling that total would mean a total of 176. he pitched 174.2, which is short of doubling the total. He increased his innings pitched by 86.2 before being shut down. Would I have shut him down if the Cubs were in a similar position as the Sox were? Yes. Because I did not believe the Sox had any realistic chance to win a title last year and Sale is their most important player for the future. I think the Nationals did the right thing in shutting down Strasburg last year too, even though they had a realistic chance to win a title. Pitching wins Championships and exceptional pitching talent doesn't come along very often.

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Wrong dipshit...Samardzjia pitched 130.2 innings (between AAA Iowa and the Major leagues with the Cubs) in 2010.

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Really?


Not quite what I asked you. I didn't ask you if you believed the Sox had a realistic chance to win. We all remember your flippy floppy on that one. What I said was "If the Cubs were in contention at the end of last season like the Sox were"... meaning that within the last 3 games of the season they could still have won a division, would you have supported shutting down one of their best pitchers? I don't think you would have. You would want that division.

One could successfully argue that shutting down Strasburg was the stupidest managerial decision of 2012.

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He still doubled his innings from 2011 to 2012, which was really my point in the first place, but, whatever, ok, fine. What about Dempster?

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No dipshit, you asked if the Cubs were in contention AS THE SOX WERE, would I have supported the abuse of Samardzjia? As mush as I didn't believe the Sox had any realistic chance of winning last season, if the Cubs were in the same position, I would sit Samardzjia as the Cubs did. Winning a division is insignificant, if it endangers your best players future. Especially if that team has no realistic chance in the post-season. The way Sale struggled in the last month, the decision not only endangered his future, but wasn't really a good decision for 2012, as he went 2-3 with an ERA over 4 in the month of September.

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You're not really this dense are you? I mean, this is an act?
Whether or not you thought from day 1 the Sox were in it they weren't eliminated until the last couple days of the season. And for the record, by "couple", I do indeed mean 3 as I know it was 3 games and not 2 so I don't need a lesson from you on what "couple" means and I won't give you a lesson on rounding up or down, ok?
So, tossing aside your Sox hate they were very fucking much IN IT all the way down to game 159.

And bullshit dude if the Cubs were in the Sox position, that is to say not eliminated with only a few games remaining, you would have called them pussies for sitting Samaedzija. Is he that fucking valuable really? I mean, he was a losing pitcher with an era closer to 4 than 3. Really a shut them down for the sake of the future kind of guy?

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You aren't very good at math. You have now represented that he doubled his innings pitched from 2011 to 2012 twice and yet the math demonstrated for you previosly proves that is not true. He pitched 88 innings in 2011 (less than the 130.2 he pitched the previous season) and then increased the total in 2012 by 86.2 to 174.2 . Can you actually add the two numbers and see that it falls short of doubling the total? If so, why do you insist on repeating that he doubled his innings pitched? Again, the fact that he had pitched 130.2 innings in 2011 and 123.2 innings in 2009 plays into the equation as well.

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What the fuck is wrong with you, really?
He was 4 outs away from a LITERAL doubling of innings from 2011 to 2012.
I feel pretty confortable saying he doubled his inning total from 2011 to 2012.

If that's where you're bringing this converation, you're simply waving a white flag, and not one with a W on it.

It's kind of pathetic.

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Go back to my posts from last year and you will see how I criticized the Sox for not shutting down Sale and how I maintained even when the Sox were 3 games up with 2 weeks to play, that the Tigers were going to win the division. I just expected they would win by 5 games rather than 3. I also said very clearly then, that the Sox were foolish to keep pitching Sale when the team was going nowhere in 2012. I was right.

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What makes you right? What is the evidence that the Sox were wrong to pitch him? He wasn't terrible, he didn't get hurt. What the hell makes you right?

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If he was 4 outs from LITERALLY doubling the total, he didn't double the total and if you feel comfortable saying he doubled the total you are a moron. As I also stated in the above post, he had already pitched 123.2 and 130.2 innings in previous years, so the increase was just a matter of adding another 44 innings to that previous total.

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What made me right was Sale going 2-3 with an ERA over 4 in the month of September and the Sox not making it to the playoffs. I said they wouldn't and I said it was foolish not to shut Sale down.

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Jesus.

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It's simple math, if you can't manage it, find a 3rd grader to help you out.

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Drill down a little further into his stats. His babip was much higher in September.
You should be smarter than just looking at a guy's ERA... right?
I mean 9 of his 16 runs allowed was in 2 games, one of those to a team that eventually was the AL Champ and was a run scoring machine.
His ERA Swelled DRAMATICALLY from 2.93 to 3.05 in september. MELTDOWN?!

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Don't be a total dumbass. You're being an idiot with this. You should know better.

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Speaking of double, there is nothing like doubling down on stupid, eh Steve?

Shouldn't you be getting proper rest tonight, so you can dominate those ladies at bowling tomorrow night?

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His record was 2-3 and his ERA was 4.11 in September. You can't just pick out a couple decent games VS a Twins squad that was without Mauer or a good game VS a Royals team that later in the month beat him. You have to look at the entire month, where he was 2-3 with an ERA over 4.. You want to take away his shit games like a Cutler appologist wanting to say he had a good game if you take away the 3 picks.....doesn't work that way champ.

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That is exactly what you do when we disagree on your boy dempster.^

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You mean the guy you said no A.L. team would want, and then was traded to Texas, before signing with Boston.....oh yeah, that guy.

You are the same guy that wanted to waive Soriano and I said they were better off keeping him if they couldn't get a good prospect for him, because since switching to a lighter bat (may 1st) he was hitting well.....oh, and then he ended up wit 32 homers and 108 RBI.

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Yeah, the Guy who will be shelled in the a.l. east this year ...Boston will dump him back to n.l in off season.

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They just signed him this winter. Now you think they are gonna dump him before they even begin the season? OMG this board is special...

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No, 30 starts of suck then moved.

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