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Who fuckin cares how coaches treat the media?
Shit, I'd treat brad Biggs like that too if that bastard was asking me questions about my job.


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In some ways the media is an extension from the team to the fans. The team communicates to the fans in part through the media.

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In some ways the media is an extension from the team to the fans. The team communicates to the fans in part through the media.

Y'and?

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I heard the LoHo interview and I'm beginning to wonder whether Trestman is going to be just like Lovie Smith in the way he treats reporters.


I hope so. Why should I care how the coach treats the reporters? Rip them mother fuckers, what do I care?


Companies & organizations don't like it when the most visible leader & face of the franchise is a dick to the media & fans. The only way an NFL team can get away with it is if a team is a dynasty & wins consistently. There aren't many of those teams in today's NFL though. Emery took a couple of shots at Lovie after he was fired about his media problems. A smart head coach understands that it behooves him to have a good relationship with the media.

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In some ways the media is an extension from the team to the fans. The team communicates to the fans in part through the media.






Nah, this is bullshit. That is just something the media clowns say to seem more important than they are, and as an incentive for players n coaches to not tell them to get fucked. I like when the media gets treated like the turds they are.
I don't even need to hear from players or coaches ever on any subject,just win or leave town.

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Trestman said he had talked to Jay, but not about football. The playbook isn't ready, I'm sure once it is they will cozy up.


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I also don't care how the coach treats reporters, but I do hope Trestman earns the respect of the locker room the way Lovie did. I did like Lovie as a coach, but his neglect of the offense had gone on for far too long. I hope Trestman does what Lovie failed to do, and that's staff the other side of the ball with competent coaches with modern, operational strategies and game plans.


Well, to some degree the reporter represents the fan. Contempt for the reporter could be construed as contempt for the fan. Now, I don't consider Laurence Holmes a reporter. He's just a guy who talks smack on the radio.

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Also admitted he hadn't met with Cutler, and that no one has the playbook because it's not done yet. And that the Bears will install the read option.


You don't see this as a problem? He's been on the job for over 2 months. Not having a playbook is a problem but not meeting with your most important offensive player is even worse. How do you hire a guy without know what offense he plans to run? What Trestman and Emery are doing really worries me. Hopefully in the end it works out fine but right now there are a shit load of read flags.


Wtf? Seriously the new coach has not met with the starting QB yet? How in the hell does that happen? That is very concerning to me. I am more than willing to give Trestman time to prove himself but this is not a good start.
I agree with Nas and RFDC. That's very troubling unless Trestman views Cutler as a 1 and done player with him. Even then, he owes it to Cutler to put out the best effort he can.

What is also concerning is that he seems to be researching modern NFL offense. That's why I think he doesn't have a playbook. What works in the CFL probably won't translate to the NFL. We won't know until the season but I'm troubled that our offensive genius coach is still not sure what plays he wants to run.

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There is an excellent chance Cutler is one n done.

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If he gets to the Super Bowl by year 3 we can talk about Lovie status


He could get there this season. If they don't destroy the defense I really believe this Bears team could win the SB. I know I said the same thing last season but I really believe the offense will be fine. Not sure why Lance Louis (By far their best OL last season) was brought back but other than that I don't have any issues with their offensive moves. Kellen Davis will probably go someone and learn how to catch on game days instead of just in practice.

You mean was NOT brought back right?


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Its possible that Trestman wanted to meet Cutler and Cutler is the one holding it up.

That would be soooo Jay


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I don't really get the hand wringing the last two days. Especially since it was mostly based off of some answers in an impromptu interview with Laurence. A new head coach at the end of a coaches meeting/conference so what? Maybe its a personality quirk or he didn't get recent updates from Emery who knows he may be a dick too? Too early to know at all.

As for the playbook I actually respect the fact he didn't arrive with some canned Martz type book he is going to cram up everyone's ass. He is probably adjusting to game changes as well as his roster. As long as the players have it a week before the first OTA's who gives a giant flying fuck?

Over analyzing every little thing in March aggravates me.

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Agreed completely.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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If he gets to the Super Bowl by year 3 we can talk about Lovie status


He could get there this season. If they don't destroy the defense I really believe this Bears team could win the SB. I know I said the same thing last season but I really believe the offense will be fine. Not sure why Lance Louis (By far their best OL last season) was brought back but other than that I don't have any issues with their offensive moves. Kellen Davis will probably go someone and learn how to catch on game days instead of just in practice.

You mean was NOT brought back right?


That's what I meant. Unless there is some injury that we don't know about it seems weird. The Bears only had success running his way and most teams knew it. He had potential to be a pro bowl G.


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Maybe the knee injury was worse than reported?

I agree, its a curious move for a team with such issues on the line to get rid of their best lineman


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Well, to some degree the reporter represents the fan. Contempt for the reporter could be construed as contempt for the fan. Now, I don't consider Laurence Holmes a reporter. He's just a guy who talks smack on the radio.


Yes, contempt for the media may be construed as contempt for the fan, but I'm not sure how much that matters. Ideally I'd like for coaches and players to be appreciative of the fans, but ultimately players play for their bosses, coaches coach for their bosses, and fans essentially pay admission fees to see men who happen to be football players/coaches go to work every Sunday. Conceptually, how is it any different from a McDonald's store manager selling you tickets to come visit his store and watch his workers cook burgers? The cook's obligation is to his boss and his job, not to me, even though I happen to be a "fan" of watching him go to work everyday. Whether he is respectful of me as a fan or not is not relevant to his job.

If a coach or player disrespects me, that's my problem for unjustifiably presuming that I should be accorded respect for simply watching him do his job every week.

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Well, to some degree the reporter represents the fan. Contempt for the reporter could be construed as contempt for the fan. Now, I don't consider Laurence Holmes a reporter. He's just a guy who talks smack on the radio.


Yes, contempt for the media may be construed as contempt for the fan, but I'm not sure how much that matters. Ideally I'd like for coaches and players to be appreciative of the fans, but ultimately players play for their bosses, coaches coach for their bosses, and fans essentially pay admission fees to see men who happen to be football players/coaches go to work every Sunday. Conceptually, how is it any different from a McDonald's store manager selling you tickets to come visit his store and watch his workers cook burgers? The cook's obligation is to his boss and his job, not to me, even though I happen to be a "fan" of watching him go to work everyday. Whether he is respectful of me as a fan or not is not relevant to his job.

If a coach or player disrespects me, that's my problem for unjustifiably presuming that I should be accorded respect for simply watching him do his job every week.


You have to understand that fans are not allowed at press conferences. And if they were they would probably be lied to and talked down to by the Bears people. The fans find out about the team by what the team representatives say at the press conferences.

Here's another example from politics. The media that covers politics has a responsibility to provide accurate information to the public about politicians. When the politicians lie to the media they are also lying to the voters even though the people who vote don't all have journalism degrees. When Bill Clinton says, "I didn't have sex with that woman" in essence he is lying to all of America.

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You have to understand that fans are not allowed at press conferences. And if they were they would probably be lied to and talked down to by the Bears people. The fans find out about the team by what the team representatives say at the press conferences.

Here's another example from politics. The media that covers politics has a responsibility to provide accurate information to the public about politicians. When the politicians lie to the media they are also lying to the voters even though the people who vote don't all have journalism degrees. When Bill Clinton says, "I didn't have sex with that woman" in essence he is lying to all of America.


I agree with you in spirit but think that politics is a bad analogy. Politicians are directly responsible to the public as elected representatives. The Bears are a business, and businesses have a different set of obligations, none of which even remotely resemble the accountability an elected official has toward the public.

Fans willingly contribute to the revenue of the Bears' organization, but accountability to you is not part of that agreement. It is up to a player or coach's personal choice to provide genuine insight or perspective on Bears' affairs to the public, it's not contractually obligated. Even if all they do is regurgitate cliches as part of mandatory press conferences and post game interviews, they still have met the public appearance or media engagement contractual requirements. Their contractual obligations flow upward within the business hierarchy, of which the fans are not a part.

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I could be wrong about this but I would suspect most coaches come in with a playbook/system and then they adjust their playbook or system to their personnel. How is it possible that a head coach can get hired without having a playbook or a philosophy? Did Trestman fool Emery in the interview? Who is creating this playbook? Will the "Annexation of Puerto Rico" be in there? The fact that it has taken more than 2 months to create it means the Bears offense is already behind. They'll all go into OTA's having never seen the plays or understanding the terminology. At the very least the QB should know these things. Unfortunately the coach hasn't met or talked football with the most important player on the team.


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At the very least the QB should know these things. Unfortunately the coach hasn't met or talked football with the most important player on the team.


This is pretty strange. Perhaps it is intentional for whatever reason. Some sort of psychological ploy....

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Makaveli wrote:
I could be wrong about this but I would suspect most coaches come in with a playbook/system and then they adjust their playbook or system to their personnel. How is it possible that a head coach can get hired without having a playbook or a philosophy? Did Trestman fool Emery in the interview? Who is creating this playbook? Will the "Annexation of Puerto Rico" be in there? The fact that it has taken more than 2 months to create it means the Bears offense is already behind. They'll all go into OTA's having never seen the plays or understanding the terminology. At the very least the QB should know these things. Unfortunately the coach hasn't met or talked football with the most important player on the team.


They could be waiting for the draft and more free agents as well. Trestman has done this before, and has done it well, so I have confidence that he can finish a task as basic as completing the playbook. I'm not so sure about his ability to contribute to the other side of the ball.

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At the very least the QB should know these things. Unfortunately the coach hasn't met or talked football with the most important player on the team.


This is pretty strange. Perhaps it is intentional for whatever reason. Some sort of psychological ploy....


It could be a way to let everyone know you're in charge but IMO it's stupid and it appears you're trying too hard. From all accounts the guy is great with X's and O's but struggles when it comes to leading a team.


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I could be wrong about this but I would suspect most coaches come in with a playbook/system and then they adjust their playbook or system to their personnel. How is it possible that a head coach can get hired without having a playbook or a philosophy? Did Trestman fool Emery in the interview? Who is creating this playbook? Will the "Annexation of Puerto Rico" be in there? The fact that it has taken more than 2 months to create it means the Bears offense is already behind. They'll all go into OTA's having never seen the plays or understanding the terminology. At the very least the QB should know these things. Unfortunately the coach hasn't met or talked football with the most important player on the team.


They could be waiting for the draft and more free agents as well. Trestman has done this before, and has done it well, so I have confidence that he can finish a task as basic as completing the playbook. I'm not so sure about his ability to contribute to the other side of the ball.


Why? You don't just learn a playbook overnight. This is a new offense. You draft players that will fit your system. There is no reason why the playbook shouldn't be in Cutler's hands by now. There is no reason he shouldn't have had it prior to being hired. That doesn't mean he couldn't tweak it here and there. It appears the Bears hired a head coach that didn't have a system or a playbook. Something is wrong with that. Usually the philosophy and track record is the reason why a coach is hired.


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Shouldn't the OC (Kromer) bring in the playbook, not the head coach?

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Shouldn't the OC (Kromer) bring in the playbook, not the head coach?


Not when you hire an offensive head coach. It's why Rivera had the run Lovie's defense.


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Why did Trestman tell LoHo that the offense wasn't his offense, but that it was the "Bears' offense"? He's writing the playbook is he not?

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I don't really get the hand wringing the last two days. Especially since it was mostly based off of some answers in an impromptu interview with Laurence. A new head coach at the end of a coaches meeting/conference so what? Maybe its a personality quirk or he didn't get recent updates from Emery who knows he may be a dick too? Too early to know at all.

As for the playbook I actually respect the fact he didn't arrive with some canned Martz type book he is going to cram up everyone's ass. He is probably adjusting to game changes as well as his roster. As long as the players have it a week before the first OTA's who gives a giant flying fuck?

Over analyzing every little thing in March aggravates me.


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Why did Trestman tell LoHo that the offense wasn't his offense, but that it was the "Bears' offense"? He's writing the playbook is he not?


I didn't hear it, but a guess would be that he is implying he isn't bringing an existing playbook. Going to modify, and add to what he has to make the "Bears playbook." Just corny coachspeak, probably.


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On its own, the playbook thing wouldn't be concerning. With a guy who hasn't been paying much attention to the NFL since 2008, it is. The NFL changes a lot in 4-5 years. At least in college football, the trends are at least somewhat similar with both levels taking from each other.

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Not following. To me, the correct thing to do is not bring in the playbook you have been using in the cfl. The correct thing would be to work with Kromer and the other guys who have been in the NFL, to finalize the playbook before giving to players. What's concerning about that? Seems sensible.


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