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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:54 pm 
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Whether you think drug testing is the grooviest or the worst, there is a false assumption in this statement.

Ive seen way too many smart people post this.

Grid just posted this on facebook

I pointed out that starving the kids because the mother is on drugs is not a great idea.

Got this gem in return

If a mother is on drugs, there is already a really good chance she isn't feeding her kids with the welfare aid. Most of them just sell the benefits and buy drugs.

Grid didnt write that. One of his friends did.


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Is it not true? Forget the "really good chance" part. There is some chance....go outside any number of grocery stores and you find people offering their LINK benefits in exchange for alcohol or cash.


I have yet to witness this phenomena.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:04 pm 
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Is it not true? Forget the "really good chance" part. There is some chance....go outside any number of grocery stores and you find people offering their LINK benefits in exchange for alcohol or cash.

I have literally never seen that. Is that how they do it in Schaumburg?


There is some chance of anything

Why would a person with money want to buy link benefits, anyway?

Even if its a 5 for 10 thing, is it really worth it?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:04 pm 
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So the kids don't eat food. Amazing...

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Fuck those poor people!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:07 pm 
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Fuck those poor people!


If they're attractive enough, sure.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:11 pm 
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immessedup17 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Even if its a 5 for 10 thing, is it really worth it?

It must work occasionally if it is still attempted?

yeah Ive seen middle class people do it with gas cards before.


Anyway, this whole thing is costing more money than it saves. Just not a great idea.


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Fuck those poor people!


If they're attractive enough, sure.


i've seen ones on Maury who will fuck for a cheeseburger or a bag of chips


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It must work occasionally if it is still attempted?


We know that's you, bigfan.

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I don't really care, but IMO food stamps should buy you like peanut butter, kidney beans, dry milk, canned spinach. That's it. Then we'll see how many people "need" food stamps.

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I don't really care, but IMO food stamps should buy you like peanut butter, kidney beans, dry milk, canned spinach. That's it. Then we'll see how many people "need" food stamps.

I really hate when you venture from the world of dumb sports commentary into the world of dumb social commentary.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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I don't really care, but IMO food stamps should buy you like peanut butter, kidney beans, dry milk, canned spinach. That's it. Then we'll see how many people "need" food stamps.

I really hate when you venture from the world of dumb sports commentary into the world of dumb social commentary.


Offer a retort.


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I don't really care, but IMO food stamps should buy you like peanut butter, kidney beans, dry milk, canned spinach. That's it. Then we'll see how many people "need" food stamps.

I really hate when you venture from the world of dumb sports commentary into the world of dumb social commentary.


Offer a retort.

It doesn't dignify one. My only retort is that it's insanely offensive.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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I don't really care, but IMO food stamps should buy you like peanut butter, kidney beans, dry milk, canned spinach. That's it. Then we'll see how many people "need" food stamps.

I really hate when you venture from the world of dumb sports commentary into the world of dumb social commentary.
C'mon. Its not that dumb. How many cigarettes and joints can you buy with kidney beans and orange juice? :wink:

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Nobody really eats canned spinach, do they ?


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Nobody really eats canned spinach, do they ?


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Nobody really eats canned spinach, do they ?


good ice breaker for your neighbors.


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Nobody really eats canned spinach, do they ?


I buy fresh spinach.

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http://www.nationalmemo.com/utah-finds- ... ign=Buffer

Utah Finds Few Users, No Savings By Drug Testing Welfare Applicants

Utah’s controversial policy of drug testing welfare applicants has cost the state over $30,000 — while uncovering almost no drug users, the Associated Press reports.

According to the Utah Department of Workforce Services, the state spent $6,000 to give 4,730 welfare applicants a written test — 466 respondents “showed a likelihood of drug use,” and were then given drug tests at a total cost of over $25,000.

The outcome? Only 12 applicants tested positive — meaning that the Beehive State spent more than 30 grand to weed out .0025 percent of those seeking benefits.

The results stand in stark contrast to the predictions of drug testing supporters, most of whom claimed that the laws are examples of fiscal conservatism in action. For example, Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) explained his support for Utah’s law by insisting that “it’s to insure that the federal government is a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars.” Similarly, Senator David Vitter (R-LA) has warned that “with potentially billions of dollars of welfare funds ending up in the wrong places or being spent on illegal drugs, the least we can do is make sure that money is going where it’s actually supposed to go.” In light of Utah’s fruitless search for drug users, it seems that Vitter’s concern that billions are being wasted slightly overestimates the “crisis.”

Utah’s experience mirrors that of Florida, which passed a similar law only to discover — to lawmakers’ evident surprise — that federal benefits are not a get-rich-quick scheme for indigent drug addicts. Just 2.5 percent of the state’s welfare applicants failed drug tests as of March 2012. That rate is far lower than the 8.9 percent of the general population that illegally uses drugs, according to the 2010 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Unsurprisingly, Florida’s program provided no direct savings — it actually cost taxpayers an additional $45,780 — before it was ruled unconstitutional by a district judge (a verdict that was unanimously upheld by a federal appeals court).

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, at least eight states — Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Utah — have passed laws requiring drug testing or screening for public assistance applicants, and at least 29 are considering similar legislation.

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Does Utah with the substantial Mormon populace expect a lot of users?

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Because this is why the country is in debt ..... not Bankers taking TARP money to buy homes with ..... :roll:

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Does Utah with the substantial Mormon populace expect a lot of users?


That is your response? Then what was the point of all of it?

How about we stop wasting tax payer dollars, and stop invading people's privacy, under the guise of fiscal conservatism.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:27 am 
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Utah is such an oddball state, it's not really representative of anything.

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Does Utah with the substantial Mormon populace expect a lot of users?


That is your response? Then what was the point of all of it?

How about we stop wasting tax payer dollars, and stop invading people's privacy, under the guise of fiscal conservatism.



Well yeah my response is Utah wasted money because I wouldn't expect high drug/welfare use. Can't speak for places like NYC?

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So, the people that support drug testing welfare applicants say that it will weed out those that abuse the system. When we see hard numbers that dispute those claims, they try to find excuses to discount the numbers?

No wonder this country is so fucked up.

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i like how everyone blames drugs while nobody wants to admit the real problem is uneducated people. but go ahead- cripple teachers unions and take money away from the 'bloated' education system because after all, were like 23rd in the world.

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So, the people that support drug testing welfare applicants say that it will weed out those that abuse the system. When we see hard numbers that dispute those claims, they try to find excuses to discount the numbers?

No wonder this country is so fucked up.


its called republicans. reality does not play a part. once they make their mind on something, they quadruple down no matter what happens.

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So, the people that support drug testing welfare applicants say that it will weed out those that abuse the system. When we see hard numbers that dispute those claims, they try to find excuses to discount the numbers?

No wonder this country is so fucked up.


But you can't use a state like Utah to represent the entire country is what mike means.

You need evidence from more states and more diverse demographics to say whether it would "work" or not.

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i like how everyone blames drugs while nobody wants to admit the real problem is uneducated people.


Have you not heard? Standardized testing makes everyone educated! Problem solved!

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