How does it possibly survive without a Wrigley Field in the neighborhood?

How did the property values increase without Wrigley Field?

How has it supported its bars and restaurants without Wrigley Field?

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Lincoln Ave bars made it before Wrigley and have nothing to do with Wrigley.

Clark St is closer to Division St though. Much bigger venues, not local little bars. Barleycorn, Sluggers, Vines, cubby, Moes, Red Ivy, Yakzees are all 10,000 SF places and many of them are closed on Mondays and Tuesdays if not for game days. Those are the places that will take the hits.

Doesnt matter to me, I am moving to Vegas with the Sox!

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I pose the question only to highlight the generally ignorant reporting of the Cubs renovation situation.

Property values will not plummet if the Cubs leave tomorrow. Most studies indicate a need for ADDITIONALY rental units in the area. That isn't due to the Cubs. I suspect that them leaving will have zero impact on values.

I have a feeling the restaurant scene will do fine as well. The bar and grill types certainly feed off the cubs, but the yokels from iowa aren't going penny's noodles, addis abbaba (is that still around) or any other restaurant whose culinary offerings aren't fried. A move might actually be better for diversity thus strengthening the restaurant business.

Some businesses will be hurt but I think that will be limited to the places that sell athletic apparrel.

Bars will be hurt. There are probably too many of them anyway.

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I agree with this.

It seems pretty simple but apparently a lot of people can't understand it. The Cubs benefit from the neighborhood and the neighborhood benefits from the Cubs.

The ballpark matters and it can't just be recreated in Rosemont or Schaumburg. How could a guy wonder if Northwestern would want to break its deal with the Cubs if Wrigley was gone on one hand, and say the Cubs lose nothing by moving on the other? The first question suggests an understanding of the power the ballpark has while the second ignores it completely.

And this is the cognitive dissonance that plenty of people seem to have on this issue. Wrigley Field is the greatest place to watch a game in the universe, however, the Cubs should move to Rosemont and play in a deluxe park with more signs and skyboxes and jumbotrons. Huh?????????

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Is this a commonly held view? I don't think I know 1 Cubs fan who thinks this.

You're kidding me. It seems to be a pretty commonly held view.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/ballparks/wrigley.html
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserRevi ... inois.html

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Wrigley Field is a great place to watch a game. Once you leave your seat the place blows.

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This. I go to few games a year and every year it's getting more frustrating (the product on the field aside). Everything outside the field itself sucks ass. Even in the seats can suck if you don't have the right ones. I'm down for a new ball park or mass renovations. Be nice to be able to take a piss without 50 wangs floppin about in the open like it's a free for all.

Maybe the wang free-for-all draws locals to the park?

Speaking of wangs...the Alderman of Burritoville Tom Tunney is a joke & I hope Ricketts shoves it up his ass by moving to the suburbs.

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I wasn't kidding. I'm going by the Cub fans I know. The opinion I hear is "I'd rather go to Miller Park"......"Move"..... "Bulldoze it"

Those links you provide look like they are from out-of-towners. I was talking about the Cubs fans I know. I don't give a shit what someone from Ontario, Tampa, Durham, Lexington NE, N. California, Whitby Canada, Brick, NJ (I'll stop there) thinks. Of course someone who goes to 1 game in their lifetime or maybe 1 game every 5-10 years is going to think it's all part of the "experience". I think it's a pain in the ass.

You insult gays, but then respond with wanting gay sex to happen? Completely normal...

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Tunney is a Weasel. I would absolutely love it if Rickets said fuck you to the city of Chicago & went to Rosemont. I'm actually surprised to hear as many Cubs fans as I have who want to get the hell out of Wrigley Field. Fans are tired of the BS.

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God damn it, fuck everyone who is fucking cheering on a billionaire to make more money for himself at the expense of taxpayers. Can people be more distasteful? "I hope Tom Ricketts really sticks it to the neighborhood and gets to build jumbotrons and billboards that look disgusting but make lots of money for him, none of which I'll ever see! Failing that, I hope he moves my team to a hornet's nest of organized crime and does the aforementioned, but to a greater extent, because fuck people!" Are you people Chicago fans, Cubs fans, or commerce fans? Because it doesn't sound like you care much for Chicago or the Cubs. I don't care what the rest of the sport-watching world has in terms of technology or amenities or Monetizing Everything, because the rest of the sport-watching world is not a house but a whole veritable castle of lies and welfare. Not having spacious parking lots and airport food courts and sparkling bathrooms are the crosses we bear for not being (at least to this point) a corporate cancer. Take the L, eat at a restaurant, try to hold your piss, and feel better about yourself as a person. If it's too much for you, the White Sox are right there.

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Curious, there is a middle ground

I can want Wrigley to have acceptable bathrooms (some people have children nowadays) and decent food and it doesnt mean I like the Cubs any less.

Having an up to date stadium does not always mean decent food. The United Center has many choices and concession stands, and they probably have the worst stadium food I have ever had.

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Okay. And I don't think renovating the bathrooms is an impossible task. If it hasn't been adequately done by now, it's just because Ricketts has been sandbagging it to get public money (oops). But I just can't stand that people are rooting for someone who's heretofore been a shitty, shitty owner to open revenue streams for himself. Trickle-down economics don't work in sports, either. We seriously haven't learned that yet?

As for decent food, going to a Cubs game encompasses going to the north side of Chicago. There's terrific food all about you! While you're sitting at A Baseball Game, however, just have a hot dog and lemonade like a goddamn American is supposed to. Who are these people who need mediocre, overpriced, mass-market-food-service chicken salads available to them? Jesus.

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I'm a commerce fan. The more jobs, even if temporary, the merrier.

Well that was just an add on. I dont really care about the food.

Make sure the roof doesnt fall on me and make the bathrooms decent enough so I can take a small child and not worry about scarring them for life and Im good.

They argue against using public money. Not private investment.

I absolutely agree with all of that.





Yeah, the food doesnt matter. I amended that demand.

I don't follow the business aspect of the Ricketts and Wrigley. I just want improvements to the stadium so I can have a better time as a fan.

You're watching the Chicago Cubs. It's only going to be so good. Concession stands and jumbotrons won't fix that.

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It will for me.

I'd love a jumbotron. I can't even tell you how many times there has been a bang bang play and I look up to the scoreboard for a replay before my brain reminds me that there won't be one. It's 2013 and it's time to get with the times. This isn't suppose to be a museum that shows you what watching baseball in the 1940's was like (or is it?) but it sure feels like it. I've sat in the middle section all the way in the back on a 90 degree night where I can't even see the sky or feel a breeze. I remember that night because it was a miserable time and the only reason I stayed was because it was Glavine's 300th win. I'm tired of pissing in buckets too. I could go on.

The product on the field is a whole different story.

But in the end, it doesn't even matter...

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