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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-chicago-cubs-theo-epstein--wrigley-field-renovation-20130401,0,7356251.story

As for the importance of getting a deal done, Epstein said: “I think it’s fundamentally important to get us to the next level as an organization. We have a baseball plan and we have a business plan, and they’re timed to sync up with one another, they’re inter-dependant.

“And if we don’t get our Wrigley renovation done in a timely manner and done the right way, then we can’t accomplish our business objectives and that will certainly get in the way of us ultimately accomplishing our baseball objectives, so it’s very important.”


First off, someone show Paul Sullivan how to use spell-check.

Second, I read this as Theo saying "If I fuck up this ballclub with my baseball plan, I can always blame Kenney, Ricketts, Rahm, Tunney and others for not getting the five year rehab done."

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Building, Permits, Hats, Rebuilding.

Seems like ti all fits into an easy, kinda cool, marketing plan.

The sponsorship nights alone make it a great plan!

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Both papers suggest that the baseball "plan" is really nothing more than cost-slashing because of debt overload. The "the business plan just happens to fit the baseball plan" stuff sounds like claptrap.

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To me it sounds like he is saying the baseball plan is dependent upon money from the business side. This seems pretty basic. If they don't get the changes that lead to more money, they will have less money to spend on the field. Seems simple.


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To me it sounds like he is saying the baseball plan is dependent upon money from the business side. This seems pretty basic. If they don't get the changes that lead to more money, they will have less money to spend on the field. Seems simple.


Right. But there's a difference between losing 100 games on purpose for the future good and losing 100 games on purpose because your owner needs you to slash payroll. It seems the whole "plan" may have been nothing more than a smokescreen for protecting the Ricketts' bottom line.

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To me it sounds like he is saying the baseball plan is dependent upon money from the business side. This seems pretty basic. If they don't get the changes that lead to more money, they will have less money to spend on the field. Seems simple.


Right. But there's a difference between losing 100 games on purpose for the future good and losing 100 games on purpose because your owner needs you to slash payroll. It seems the whole "plan" may have been nothing more than a smokescreen for protecting the Ricketts' bottom line.


Why would an experienced successful guy like Theo stay on for a mere smokescreen for protecting the bottom line?

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To me it sounds like he is saying the baseball plan is dependent upon money from the business side. This seems pretty basic. If they don't get the changes that lead to more money, they will have less money to spend on the field. Seems simple.


Right. But there's a difference between losing 100 games on purpose for the future good and losing 100 games on purpose because your owner needs you to slash payroll. It seems the whole "plan" may have been nothing more than a smokescreen for protecting the Ricketts' bottom line.


Why would an experienced successful guy like Theo stay on for a mere smokescreen for protecting the bottom line?


Did you read either of the articles? Theo seems to express some surprise that things weren't exactly as he may have been told they were.

Theo: "Our ability to leverage our market size into financial advantage is more difficult than I expected. I thought that would have been something that was easier for us to do, and do now. Instead, it's something that is out of necessity probably several years away."

Translation: Ricketts said keep that payroll down until I tell you different.

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Theo should just tell the fans that they can't add payroll if they don't show up to games. That's how the great ones deal with this problem.


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Theo should just tell the fans that they can't add payroll if they don't show up to games. That's how the great ones deal with this problem.



Yep. That's how we do it on the South side.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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To me it sounds like he is saying the baseball plan is dependent upon money from the business side. This seems pretty basic. If they don't get the changes that lead to more money, they will have less money to spend on the field. Seems simple.


Right. But there's a difference between losing 100 games on purpose for the future good and losing 100 games on purpose because your owner needs you to slash payroll. It seems the whole "plan" may have been nothing more than a smokescreen for protecting the Ricketts' bottom line.


Why would an experienced successful guy like Theo stay on for a mere smokescreen for protecting the bottom line?


Did you read either of the articles? Theo seems to express some surprise that things weren't exactly as he may have been told they were.

Theo: "Our ability to leverage our market size into financial advantage is more difficult than I expected. I thought that would have been something that was easier for us to do, and do now. Instead, it's something that is out of necessity probably several years away."

Translation: Ricketts said keep that payroll down until I tell you different.

Every single owner dictates what the budget is for player expenditures.


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Every single owner dictates what the budget is for player expenditures.


Which owner of a "National team", as my friend RPB likes to call them, commands his GM to slash payroll to a 100 loss level?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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To me it sounds like he is saying the baseball plan is dependent upon money from the business side. This seems pretty basic. If they don't get the changes that lead to more money, they will have less money to spend on the field. Seems simple.


Right. But there's a difference between losing 100 games on purpose for the future good and losing 100 games on purpose because your owner needs you to slash payroll. It seems the whole "plan" may have been nothing more than a smokescreen for protecting the Ricketts' bottom line.


Why would an experienced successful guy like Theo stay on for a mere smokescreen for protecting the bottom line?


Did you read either of the articles? Theo seems to express some surprise that things weren't exactly as he may have been told they were.

Theo: "Our ability to leverage our market size into financial advantage is more difficult than I expected. I thought that would have been something that was easier for us to do, and do now. Instead, it's something that is out of necessity probably several years away."

Translation: Ricketts said keep that payroll down until I tell you different.

I have read the articles, but I don't see the bolded quote. Where is that from?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Every single owner dictates what the budget is for player expenditures.


Which owner of a "National team", as my friend RPB likes to call them, commands his GM to slash payroll to a 100 loss level?



BUt Wrigley is a cash cow that sells out no matter how may games they lose I thought?

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I have read the articles, but I don't see the bolded quote. Where is that from?


It's in the Sun-Times article.

If you read between the lines, there's a suggestion there that Joe Ricketts is sticking his nose in. Tom Ricketts sold his father on the idea of a slump-proof gate and now they aren't cutting it. Tom can promise Theo the world, but if Joe isn't on board, shit ain't happening.

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Every single owner dictates what the budget is for player expenditures.


Which owner of a "National team", as my friend RPB likes to call them, commands his GM to slash payroll to a 100 loss level?



BUt Wrigley is a cash cow that sells out no matter how may games they lose I thought?


Are they the most profitable team or not? That isn't because they play in Rosemont, Illinois.

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Ah ok so you gotta read between the lines to get that quote.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Every single owner dictates what the budget is for player expenditures.


Which owner of a "National team", as my friend RPB likes to call them, commands his GM to slash payroll to a 100 loss level?

So, Ricketts should spend money just to spend? To keep up with the Jones'? Return on investment be damned?


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Every single owner dictates what the budget is for player expenditures.


Which owner of a "National team", as my friend RPB likes to call them, commands his GM to slash payroll to a 100 loss level?

So, Ricketts should spend money just to spend? To keep up with the Jones'? Return on investment be damned?


Who said that? But there is a marked difference between Epstein holding payroll down on his own as part of a baseball plan and Epstein being ordered to hold it down because an owner is having difficulty servicing his debt.

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Ah ok so you gotta read between the lines to get that quote.


No. That is a quote in the article. I'm sure you know the definition of "quote". Do you need a link or are you capable of finding it yourself?

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Here you go, RFDC:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball ... -debt.html

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Ok maybe I am not looking at the right article. Is this it?

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PITTSBURGH - As the Cubs prepared for their season opener in Pittsburgh early Monday, team president Theo Epstein kept one eye on happenings back home related to an even more pressing issue: the April 1 deadline ownership set for getting a deal in place with city and neighborhood officials to lift restrictions in and around the ballpark they say is needed to start $300 million in Wrigley Field renovations on time.

As counterintuitive as it may seem for a big-market franchise like the Cubs, the baseball operations people are well aware that their ability to spend and compete long-term under Ricketts family ownership relies on the family being able to increase its already sizeable revenues.

"I think it's fundamentally important to get us to the next level as an organization," Epstein said before Monday's game. "We have a baseball plan, and we have a business plan, and they're timed to sync up with one another.

"They're interdependent, and if we don't get our Wrigley renovation done in a timely manner and done the right way, then we can't accomplish our business objectives, and that will certainly get in the way of us ultimately accomplishing our baseball objectives."

Though the Cubs are the most profitable team in Major League Baseball, they also carry the most debt, both in terms of sheer dollars and as a percentage of franchise value, according to a recent Forbes report.

It puts the Cubs in violation of MLB's debt service rules. But more important to the operation of the team and the product on the field, it has negatively impacted the team's ability to spend on baseball operations, as outlined in a lengthy Sun-Times report Monday.

That's a reality that doesn't have as much bearing on the baseball operations during these relatively stages of an organizational rebuilding process, but will almost certainly impact the ability to underwrite a playoff run when the process reaches that stage, if financial conditions linger.

The club seeks permission from the city to close Sheffield Avenue for game-day economic activity, and to ease restrictions and circumvent a contract with rooftop owners to allow additional, large advertising signs and video boards in the ballpark.

The club said it needed to have the concessions by Opening Day to have time to start the first part of the five-year renovation process in the fall.

Chairman Tom Ricketts said in March that if the club can't get its concessions in time, the family will not begin the process on its own.

"They're working hard on it as we speak," Epstein said.

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ok thanks, I was looking at the wrong article.

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No, I hadn't read that one. That's probably going to be in tomorrow's paper. Now BRick can mock me as an old guy who is a day behind because he reads an actual newspaper. :lol: I posted the link for you above.

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Are they the most profitable team or not? That isn't because they play in Rosemont, Illinois.


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If you read between the lines, there's a suggestion there that Joe Ricketts is sticking his nose in. Tom Ricketts sold his father on the idea of a slump-proof gate and now they aren't cutting it. Tom can promise Theo the world, but if Joe isn't on board, shit ain't happening.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Are they the most profitable team or not? That isn't because they play in Rosemont, Illinois.


Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

If you read between the lines, there's a suggestion there that Joe Ricketts is sticking his nose in. Tom Ricketts sold his father on the idea of a slump-proof gate and now they aren't cutting it. Tom can promise Theo the world, but if Joe isn't on board, shit ain't happening.


You're pretty thick, aren't you? How does one thing contradict the other? They are the most profitable team. That's a fact. They may not be profitable enough for Joe Ricketts who, unlike his silver spoon kid, didn't meet his wife in the bleachers and might prefer to invest in gold or Chinese securities.

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Thanks for the article, that is more concerning that I had originally thought or understood. It does seem as if Theo got in the middle of a bigger mess than he anticipated. Would be pretty interesting to have a completely honest conversation with Theo right now and get his thoughts on the situation.

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Are they the most profitable team or not? That isn't because they play in Rosemont, Illinois.


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If you read between the lines, there's a suggestion there that Joe Ricketts is sticking his nose in. Tom Ricketts sold his father on the idea of a slump-proof gate and now they aren't cutting it. Tom can promise Theo the world, but if Joe isn't on board, shit ain't happening.


You're pretty thick, aren't you? How does one thing contradict the other? They are the most profitable team. That's a fact. They may not be profitable enough for Joe Ricketts who, unlike his silver spoon kid, didn't meet his wife in the bleachers and might prefer to invest in gold or Chinese securities.


Maybe Dad is not a complete fucking meatball who would want a modern stadium that would make more than Wrigley when they are losing?

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I believe this is the Gordon Wittenmyer article JORR is referring to:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/19200327-419/undercurrent-of-cubs-rebuilding-is-baseballs-heaviest-debt.html

So just how good is the Cubs team that will take the field Monday against the Pirates to open yet another season of low expectations?

Maybe this is a better question: If the teams switched uniforms, would anyone know the difference?

In 3 1/2 years of Ricketts family ownership, the Cubs have gone from the top of the economic food chain in the National League Central to a team that operates and even looks like the small-market Pirates, who have endured 20 consecutive losing seasons.

“He’s behaving like he’s a mid-market team,” famed sports economist Andrew Zimbalist said of Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts, whose family owns the most profitable team in the majors in the third-largest market in the country.

In terms of their timeline to be competitive, the Cubs could have a problem because their mid-market behavior appears to be caused as much by the debt left from the Ricketts’ highly leveraged purchase of the team as any premeditated rebuilding process.

Zimbalist, an economics professor at Smith College in Northampton, Mass., cautions against using baseball spending levels as a basis for criticizing ownership, pointing out the light correlation between performance and payroll and what might be nothing more than a function of a longer-range business plan.

But the original point becomes especially relevant when measured against promises made by ownership to fans and its baseball department since taking control of the franchise from Tribune Co. in the fall of 2009, especially in light of a recent Forbes report listing the Cubs as the most profitable ­Major League Baseball team and the fourth-most valuable at $1 billion.

In fact, Ricketts opened the door to criticism when he called a then-frozen $146 million big-league payroll at the time of the purchase “unsustainable.” That was despite the relative market advantage, growing team revenues within the $8 billion industry and repeated public pledges to maintain the existing annual percentage of operating revenue for baseball operations.

For all the talk from Ricketts about the family’s “mission” to win, dozens of conversations with banking experts, attorneys, sports economists and baseball officials inside and outside the organization suggest that ownership’s focus since the purchase has been to climb out from under the heaviest debt load in the majors.

It explains almost every conspicuous move by the business operations since then, from the push for more concerts and football and hockey games at Wrigley Field to various efforts for public partnerships in achieving Wrigley renovations to the infamous (and since-departed) noodle in front of the ballpark.

Under the plan by which family patriarch Joe Ricketts agreed to commit liquidated TD Ameritrade stock, his four children, led by Tom, paid $171 million and financed the remaining $674 million of the purchase price through outside private-company investors, bank loans and a family trust. A $175 million portion of it is due for payoff or refinancing in October.

While some have called the Ricketts’ financing of the $845 million purchase “novel” and “creative” in published reports, others call it a “mess.”

Even two years ago, a source with direct knowledge of the paperwork told the Sun-Times it would prevent the Cubs from spending significantly on the big-league product for several years. That prediction has coincided with an austerity-based rebuilding program.

The family trust portion of the financing is the key, insiders say.

Experts in the area of family trusts say that an incentive for using that vehicle — which otherwise comes with one of the biggest tax bites in banking — is to shield personal assets from loan liability.

But that, in turn, comes with strict requirements for the business operation of those assets, including meeting bank “covenants” that often dictate revenue-to-spending and profit-to-cost relationships across periodic deadlines.

That could help explain why the Ricketts’ takeover of the Cubs coincided with immediate and continual budget cuts for the baseball operations, according to multiple front-office sources, including periodic midseason cuts that trimmed existing, promised budgets, such as amateur spending.

Ricketts, through a family spokesman, didn’t dispute that the debt structure has influenced operating budgets, but he denied any negative impact on the long-term “strategic” efforts of second-year team president Theo Epstein and general manager Jed Hoyer to build a winner.

“All I can tell you is when Theo and Jed get to the point where they need more resources to execute their plan, the Ricketts family will be there for them,’’ spokesman Dennis Culloton said. “It’s as simple as that.”

Culloton characterized the complex and heavy debt structure as a “requirement” of then-Tribune owner Sam Zell for Zell’s tax benefit, though others characterize it more as a function of Joe Ricketts’ unwillingness to sink more of the family’s fortune into the team.

Asked why the family hasn’t paid down much of the debt now that it’s 3½ years clear of Zell, Culloton called it a “complicated process.”

Culloton said the $32.1 million figure Forbes used to illustrate the Cubs’ profitability is “not accurate.”

Regardless of the actual number, multiple sources said business operations president Crane Kenney told staff last summer he learned the team was MLB’s “most profitable.” Culloton did not specifically dispute that.

It’s doubtful Epstein knew exactly what he was working with when he left the Boston Red Sox for the Cubs in the fall of 2011. He declined to talk specifically about what his expectations were and what his budgets have been since arriving.

But the guy who outbid the field to land Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka, a key to the Red Sox’ 2007 World Series championship, didn’t come close to beating the competition with his 2011 posting bid for Yu Darvish. The Texas Rangers’ winning bid was less than Epstein’s $51.1 million bid for Dice-K five years earlier.

The Los Angeles Dodgers blew the Cubs away with a winning posting bid of $25.7 million for Korean pitcher Ryu Hyun-Jin this winter.

“We have enough revenues to execute our plan given the stage that we’re in,” Epstein said, “and we expect with our business plans to have a lot more resources, soon, when the time is right to increase our spending.”

But Epstein also told CSNChicago.com in late March:

“Our ability to leverage our market size into financial advantages is more difficult than I expected. “I thought that would have been something that was easier for us to do, and do now. Instead, it’s something that is out of necessity probably several years away.

“But given the timeline we’re on, that’s not the worst thing in the world, as long as we get there.”

National-TV revenues will increase for all teams starting next year, with between $20 million and $25 million more going into the Cubs’ coffers. The team is expected to leverage its opt-out clause with WGN to substantially increase local over-the-air revenues by 2015.

And if the Cubs get the Wrigley Field renovations done according to plan, their own estimates at one point last year suggested at least $95 million of additional annual revenue, according to a team source.

Even the financing of the renovations, according to internal club documents, will result in tens of millions of dollars in Stadium Investment Credit against their revenue-sharing bill through MLB.

“What [Tom Ricketts] is doing is what most owners would do,” Zimbalist said, adding that the real judgment day will come when Epstein says the team is ready to win, pending a free agent or two, and Ricketts has to decide whether to write the check.

Until then, Cubs fans are being asked to pay some of the highest ticket prices in baseball. Prices jumped 23.9 percent in 2008, 12.4 percent in ’09 and 10.1 percent in ’10, according to Wilmette-based Team Marketing Report.

That last hike came in the Rickettses’ first season of ownership, and the prices have remained essentially flat since then.

Meanwhile, big-league payroll has gone down roughly 25 percent, with no commensurate spending in other areas of baseball operations. Amateur spending has been limited dramatically by MLB since then. The Cubs made one-time capital investments in a computer system and video equipment but cut scouting costs by leasing a fleet of cars and cutting per diems.

Even the state-of-the-art Dominican Academy, scheduled to open next month, cost a modest $7 million.

Imagine where the ticket prices will be when the renovations are done and the team is, presumably, competitive again.

It all means that, as Cubs ownership continues to wrestle with its debt — and eyes an important fiscal deadline in October — ticket-buying fans are subsidizing the very process that might price many of them out.

“Unfortunately, it’s part of sports,” said Chicago-based sports business consultant Marc Ganis, who consulted for Tribune Co. on the Cubs sale and has worked extensively with other teams, including the New York Yankees.

“Look at the Yankees’ [even higher] ticket prices, and the thing you know you’re getting with the Yankees that you haven’t gotten with the Cubs is a team that’s fighting for a championship year in and year out, that you know — maybe with the exception of this year — will spend and do everything possible it can to get there.

“No matter how much positive feeling there is for Tom Ricketts as the nicest guy, that’s never been the perception of the Cubs. In New York, George Steinbrenner wanted to win more than anybody, and they knew it.”

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They have a nice pair of young players at the major league level in Castro and Rizzo as well as a pretty good one in Barney. Add Baez, Soler and perhaps Jackson and/or Almora as well as the 2nd overall pick in the upcoming draft....there is a nice base there. Once Soriano and Marmol's contracts are up Soler and Baez should already be at the major league level and maybe Jackson. With the additional dollars available, a couple free agent pitchers could be added and all the sudden the team is a pretty strong club. Ricketts may not have the liquid funds we may wish he had, but with more money coming from broadcast rights in a couple years as well, things should go fine.

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This was obvious from the get go. They spent all they had on the purchase. No secret there.

I guess I mean I always figured they were happy to save the money on rebuild. The rebuild just happened to be perfect timing for Ricketts

I guess the only news here is it was more necessity than planning


I just hopoe they add payroll starting next year


I dont think Ricketts would get by for long running the cubs con the cheap. Fans are showing patience but it expires in 2015 for most.


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