For starters the next loophole they are trying to exploit is loading up on front office staff, creating latin america training facilities, and building up the talent development programs. Also seen various stories about them poaching top scouts from other teams.

Surely this will be mocked, but the whole Cubbie way book isn't just BS marketing. But surely this makes me an apologist. But conceptually the idea of a uniformed message through out the organization makes a lot of sense. It shocked me when I first heard there wasn't cohesive plans going through the different levels on the minor leagues.

Another reason the cubs will be worse than they need to be is this front office recognizes the value of cost controlled years and will make prospect truly excel before moving them up. Letting players physically mature and dominant levels rather than challenge them and let them fail. These are both things the Rays did and let them compete.

I believe the old regime let castro come up 15 or 20 days early costing them a year of team control. That won't happen any more.

Have some expectations before 2015. Be ready to question whether things are going correctly if this is another terrible year. The other choice is just to accept this as a lost year, give them a free pass, and trust in Theo, which is what I think is happening and has been my point all along.

I bolded the parts that are passing spin and creeping into lying territory.

You are getting out of control

You really should stop telling people how they feel.

Im not the one dancing. You have tried to manipulate every move made since Theo's hiring into "Cub fans are dumb" and dont toss the Cutler thing out like that has no merit.

If there is one thing you've proven in your time here, its that you will bend and break reality to prove you were right and you make grand pronouncements and then build your flawed case around it.


I have questioned the plan IN THIS THREAD. But you dont see that because it doesnt serve your purpose.


Here is what you have basically done

Rick: Cub fans dont mind losing

Bryan: No, thats not true. I hate the losing.

Rick: No you dont.


So, Are you insane or just trying to fit your narrative?

I have questioned Theo. I have said I dont like the losing. I gave you a win total that would make me happy. I said I dont trust the owner.

You're not even using sound logic. According to your logic a person in a wheelchair is fine with not being able to walk because they dont bitch about it everyday.

Have some expectations before 2015. Be ready to question whether things are going correctly if this is another terrible year. The other choice is just to accept this as a lost year, give them a free pass, and trust in Theo, which is what I think is happening and has been my point all along.

When you want to post rationally rpb let me know.

When you want to post rationally rpb let me know.

Cool.

If you have a minute, teach me how you not only read minds, but you can actually dismiss what a person says and tell them what they think. Seems Jedi-ish

Cool.

If you have a minute, teach me how you not only read minds, but you can actually dismiss what a person says and tell them what they think. Seems Jedi-ish

I think the question is whether it's an actual rebuilding plan with Theo making strictly baseball decisions based on value rather than dollar amount, or whether he's passing up deals he considers great because the Ricketts family refuses to bear the freight at this time.

Rick is mad that some Cubs fans like Theo's plan. Let him be mad, no sense in arguing it.

We'll see how ridiculous the premise is if the Cubs aren't good this year. I don't expect to see a lot of complaints if the Cubs win 78 games. You'll be very mad because they didn't win 95 games, but I doubt many others will be.

I'm not mad. I understand it. That's why hiring Theo made the Ricketts so much money. They could slash payroll and many Cub fans would buy into the fact that they don't have to win until 2015.

Hiring Theo MADE them money? How? Have you seen ticket sales lately? No one is going to games.

I'm mad every year they don't win the World Series, fwiw. And if they win 100+ games and don't win the World Series. I will still be very mad.

If Theo doesn't win a World Series, he's a failure. But in the next few seasons, whether the Cubs win 60 or 90 games, it doesn't ultimately matter if they don't win it all. All that matters is that there is progress towards the goal. Wins is definitely a big indicator, but not the only one.

I get mad if they don't win the World Series... period.

They got profitable by lowering the payroll and other expenses. That is not an indication "Cub fans would buy into the fact that they don't have to win until 2015."