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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:37 pm 
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Stop running up the fucking price days and hours before the auction is over you fucking idiots. You are supposed to wait until about 20 to 30 seconds is left and then put in the MAXIMUM amount you are willing to pay for the item. You will get many more great deals that way instead of running up the price to market value well before the auction ends. I really hate you all of you.

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I don't even understand the the practice of waiting until the end of the auction to enter one's max bid. I simply enter my max bid on my opening bid. If an item is not worth more $100 to me on Monday then why would I all of a sudden on Wednesday feel it is worth more to me just because someone else feels it is worth more to them?

Either I get it for the price I am willing to pay or someone else gets it for more than I was willing to pay.

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I honestly think that most of the time the people I am bidding against are the person putting the item up for action.

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I honestly think that most of the time the people I am bidding against are the person putting the item up for action.



That's forbidden, Chas. :lol:

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I honestly think that most of the time the people I am bidding against are the person putting the item up for action.



That's forbidden, Chas. :lol:

I broke my Ebay Cherry literally a week ago

Wouldnt it be possible to have a second screenname and bid it up?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:14 am 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
I honestly think that most of the time the people I am bidding against are the person putting the item up for action.



That's forbidden, Chas. :lol:

I broke my Ebay Cherry literally a week ago

Wouldnt it be possible to have a second screenname and bid it up?

EBay multing?

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Baby McNown wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
I honestly think that most of the time the people I am bidding against are the person putting the item up for action.



That's forbidden, Chas. :lol:

I broke my Ebay Cherry literally a week ago

Wouldnt it be possible to have a second screenname and bid it up?

EBay multing?

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I don't even understand the the practice of waiting until the end of the auction to enter one's max bid. I simply enter my max bid on my opening bid. If an item is not worth more $100 to me on Monday then why would I all of a sudden on Wednesday feel it is worth more to me just because someone else feels it is worth more to them?

Either I get it for the price I am willing to pay or someone else gets it for more than I was willing to pay.


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I don't even understand the the practice of waiting until the end of the auction to enter one's max bid. I simply enter my max bid on my opening bid. If an item is not worth more $100 to me on Monday then why would I all of a sudden on Wednesday feel it is worth more to me just because someone else feels it is worth more to them?

Either I get it for the price I am willing to pay or someone else gets it for more than I was willing to pay.


This is why I hate you. Entering your maximum bid on Day 1 ONLY helps the seller. Even when you win you really lose. There will be people (including the seller and their fake accounts) that will constantly bump the price up in an attempt to outbid you. If you're patient and wait until the end you will get far more items for a fraction of what you were willing to pay. Why pay $195 when you could have gotten it for $125? Why pay $600 when you could get it for $450? The only time it is okay to do that is when I am selling something on Ebay. At that point you are free to make your maximum bid on Day 1.

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But don't you simply set the maximum bid and it is hidden? It only outbids the last one by $1. Do the fakes enter 80 bids to get it up to where they want?

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Nas is exaggerating what actually occurs on eBay.

Just enter the amount you're willing to pay whenever you want. Everyone else will do the same and someone will win the item.


I am not. This happens all the time. I hate you for not knowing how dumb it is to enter the amount you are willing to pay at ANYTIME.

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But don't you simply set the maximum bid and it is hidden? It only outbids the last one by $1. Do the fakes enter 80 bids to get it up to where they want?


It is hidden. Problem is when you set it early, everyone constantly tries to outbid you by a few dollars and it bumps the price up. Before you know it there have been 70 bids and there is still 2 days left.

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Nas is exaggerating what actually occurs on eBay.

Just enter the amount you're willing to pay whenever you want. Everyone else will do the same and someone will win the item.


I am not. This happens all the time. I hate you for not knowing how dumb it is to enter the amount you are willing to pay at ANYTIME.

I think you're upset because other people value items more highly than you do.

You lost some auctions. Get over it. It was worth more to someone else than it was to you.

I don't think you understand Nas' point fully. By setting your max bid early, you're giving the seller an opportunity to bid up the price of the auction with his other fake account. If something is up to $100 on day 2 of a 7 day auction, that seller probably thinks he could at least push the bidding up to $125. By throwing in your bid in the closing seconds, you take away some of the opportunity for bidding shenanigans by the seller.

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My experience: I work for an auctioneer.


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1) Seller has no idea if a max bid has been placed.
He can continue bidding until he hits that max bid
2) If Seller assumes there is one, he doesn't know what it is.
Again, he can keep bidding until he becomes max bidder.
3) If Seller bids too high, and wins the auction, he now has to pay eBay their cut. (And if he puts in a "nonpayment" case, and this occurs a couple times...eBay finds out about his proxy account. Game over.)
He can non-pay, and just cancel the account if this happens, and start a new one. If you're careful, how would ebay ever find out?
4) Even if you still think the seller would do this, then what would stop the seller from putting in his own max bid on his proxy account...which means your last second bid will STILL get pushed up?
The power seller on ebay has hundreds of items listed at once. There's no way he's going to be able to bid up items at the last second with that kind of volume. But if he/she wanted to bid something up with a few days to go in order to drive a higher price, that could be done.

My experience: I work for an auctioneer.

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Nas is exaggerating what actually occurs on eBay.

Just enter the amount you're willing to pay whenever you want. Everyone else will do the same and someone will win the item.


I am not. This happens all the time. I hate you for not knowing how dumb it is to enter the amount you are willing to pay at ANYTIME.

I think you're upset because other people value items more highly than you do.

You lost some auctions. Get over it. It was worth more to someone else than it was to you.


I've never lost an item that I wanted. I've just been forced to pay more than I would have if were not for others being stupid.

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1) Seller has no idea if a max bid has been placed.
2) If Seller assumes there is one, he doesn't know what it is.
3) If Seller bids too high, and wins the auction, he now has to pay eBay their cut. (And if he puts in a "nonpayment" case, and this occurs a couple times...eBay finds out about his proxy account. Game over.)
4) Even if you still think the seller would do this, then what would stop the seller from putting in his own max bid on his proxy account...which means your last second bid will STILL get pushed up?

My experience: I work for an auctioneer.


1. He doesn't but he can find out by bumping it $5 or $10 every time. You can look at the bidding history at times and see a few people constantly bumping their bids.
2. See #1
3. Seller can relist item for nonpayment.
4. That's fine. If his last bid is higher than mine then he is stuck with it.

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Those wounds are still fresh... :cry:


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Nas wrote:
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Nas is exaggerating what actually occurs on eBay.

Just enter the amount you're willing to pay whenever you want. Everyone else will do the same and someone will win the item.


I am not. This happens all the time. I hate you for not knowing how dumb it is to enter the amount you are willing to pay at ANYTIME.

I think you're upset because other people value items more highly than you do.

You lost some auctions. Get over it. It was worth more to someone else than it was to you.

I don't think you understand Nas' point fully. By setting your max bid early, you're giving the seller an opportunity to bid up the price of the auction with his other fake account. If something is up to $100 on day 2 of a 7 day auction, that seller probably thinks he could at least push the bidding up to $125. By throwing in your bid in the closing seconds, you take away some of the opportunity for bidding shenanigans by the seller.


This is completely true. I've gotten items at rock bottom prices doing it this way. I bought a fucking house on Ebay doing this and the seller was pissed.

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3) If Seller bids too high, and wins the auction, he now has to pay eBay their cut. (And if he puts in a "nonpayment" case, and this occurs a couple times...eBay finds out about his proxy account. Game over.)
He can non-pay, and just cancel the account if this happens, and start a new one. If you're careful, how would ebay ever find out?

This forum is proof enough that a very, very small percentage of internet users know how to use internet proxies. eBay logs all activity with IP addresses. Logs are usually referred to on any web auction platform on resolution cases.


I've used fake accounts to drive prices up for things I was selling. A lot of people do this. It helps when you have an unknowing fool bidding against you early in the auction.

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Waiting also protects you from the half-ass bidder that doesn't really want the item but sees the price is low.

If you bid $100 max on Day 1 and that puts the price at $20. Then, you might see that guy on Day 2 that says "Hey, that's only $20, I'm going to bid $22. Oh, not enough, $25. Damn! I'll go $35 but then I'm stopping. Shit! OK, $40. Forget this."

Now you pay $41.

But, if you had not bid at all, DoofusBidder bids his $20 on Day 2 and thinks "I've got this". You sweep in on the last day and bid your $100 and grab it for $21 and save yourself $20.

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Waiting also protects you from the half-ass bidder that doesn't really want the item but sees the price is low.

If you bid $100 max on Day 1 and that puts the price at $20. Then, you might see that guy on Day 2 that says "Hey, that's only $20, I'm going to bid $22. Oh, not enough, $25. Damn! I'll go $35 but then I'm stopping. Shit! OK, $40. Forget this."

Now you pay $41.

But, if you had not bid at all, DoofusBidder bids his $20 on Day 2 and thinks "I've got this". You sweep in on the last day and bid your $100 and grab it for $21 and save yourself $20.


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IMU I've seen it happen far too often. When I first started using Ebay I was also guilty of placing bids on things I really didn't want just because the price was still low. There are smart bidders and then there are people who make smart bidders pay more than they normally would. That happened to me last night. I got what I wanted at a good price BUT I should have gotten it for $60 less if it weren't for stupid bidders that kept running the price up. I made 1 bid with 15 seconds left and won.

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But, if you had not bid at all, DoofusBidder bids his $20 on Day 2 and thinks "I've got this". You sweep in on the last day and bid your $100 and grab it for $21 and save yourself $20.

No one does this.

The super cheap buyers jump in late, and the "max value to me" buyers place max bids whenever they want.


People do it all the time. I'm not talking about the super-cheap buyers.

I'm talking about the casual impulse buyers that don't really give a crap and throw in a couple bids and then forget all about it and move on to Facebook.

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