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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:33 pm 
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Peoria Matt wrote:

I'm sorry........is this a serious statement, veganfan?

And I don't think they would look at it as "drafting a backup"....more like "drafting Cutler's replacement".


I think the thread started with a post about drafting a backup for Cutler, so my post is set within that context.

Now, if the Bears want to draft a replacement for Cutler, then yes, the draft is the obvious place to start. If, however, you want a backup because Cutler's your guy (i.e. you're signing him to a fat extension), then I don't think you should spend a pick on his backup in the draft.

Also, isn't this draft low on quality QBs anyway?

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Mc Cown has shown he can handle backup duties. Obviously you would want to upgrade. Nothing will happen until after the draft when even more QB get cut.

Yeah I think McCown has shown he can do every bit as good as a Campbell. And he will be a lot less money. I see no reason to go after anyone else. Use the money for other areas.
While he didn't show much last season, statistically Campbell has been a mush better QB than McCown over their respective careers.

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I'm actually not vegan only.


Forgive my ignorance, but isn't a vegan a vegan? Like, if you eat meat or dairy or soemthing, don't you cease to be a vegan....at least until you repent and start it up again?

I can never keep these dietary things straight....or myself, for that matter.


....wait....


Yes, you're correct. And what I meant is that I am not a vegan at all.

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I think veganism is like Judasim in that the mother passes it on to her offspring and then they are considered vegan for life.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:38 pm 
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veganfan21 wrote:
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Why don't you eat meat mysterious stranger?

Maybe he does. Maybe he just likes vegan people or theory of being vegan? Or maybe his username is a cryptic way of saying he hates Spiegel???


LOL. :D

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Yes, you're correct. And what I meant is that I am not a vegan at all.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
I think veganism is like Judasim in that the mother passes it on to her offspring and then they are considered vegan for life.


Yeah, that sounds right. I'm 96% sure I read that on Facebook.

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but drafting a backup QB does nothing to advance this season's realistic goal of winning a championship.


I meant this quote. Do you believe this or you're saying this is the Bears mindset?


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Peoria Matt wrote:
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but drafting a backup QB does nothing to advance this season's realistic goal of winning a championship.


I meant this quote. Do you believe this or you're saying this is the Bears mindset?


I'm not sure what the Bears' mindset about Cutler is. I personally believe they can contend, and that Cutler, when provided with weapons, can do good things for the Bears.

So if I'm Emery and I believe the team has a shot this year, then I'd rather use my picks to surround Cutler with more weapons. I think they're still missing some more help on the o-line, as well as a speed receiver. If Cutler's not my guy, then my draft strategy is different.

EDIT: That's why I said drafting a backup QB does nothing to advance this season's goals, because if the mindset is win now, a young backup QB doesn't factor into the "win now" mindset.

I'm not really sure if I understand your objection. Can you elaborate?

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My fault, I should have cut that quote down. "Realitstic goal of winning a championship" is what I was talking about. I can't see any possible way that is a realistic goal. More like a hopeful goal. Realistically a team with an entirely new coaching staff and an aging defense shouldn't be expected to be winning a championship.

I would love to see if Trestman could find a QB in this years draft. But the Bears, barring a trade, don't have the picks to do so.


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veganfan21 wrote:
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Yeah I think McCown has shown he can do every bit as good as a Campbell. And he will be a lot less money. I see no reason to go after anyone else. Use the money for other areas.



I agree. In fact, I think it's unwise for contenders to draft backup QBs, period. The Bears should draft players to complement the QB they already have. It would be different if the Bears were rebuilding, but drafting a backup QB does nothing to advance this season's realistic goal of winning a championship.

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veganfan21 wrote:
Krazy Ivan wrote:
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I'm actually not vegan only.


Forgive my ignorance, but isn't a vegan a vegan? Like, if you eat meat or dairy or soemthing, don't you cease to be a vegan....at least until you repent and start it up again?

I can never keep these dietary things straight....or myself, for that matter.


....wait....


Yes, you're correct. And what I meant is that I am not a vegan at all.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This might be the funniest exchange in the history of this board.

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Peoria Matt wrote:
My fault, I should have cut that quote down. "Realitstic goal of winning a championship" is what I was talking about. I can't see any possible way that is a realistic goal. More like a hopeful goal. Realistically a team with an entirely new coaching staff and an aging defense shouldn't be expected to be winning a championship.

I would love to see if Trestman could find a QB in this years draft. But the Bears, barring a trade, don't have the picks to do so.


I understand now. I think you and FavreFan feel similar about the Bears' chances this year, so I'll try and state a case for why I think they have a shot:

1) They are only a year removed from a third place finish in points allowed per game, placing just after the 49ers (17.1) at 17.3 points allowed per game (see http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG

2) They have a reasonable mix of young and old on defense, where they're young at safety, sort of old at CB, and fairly young on the d-line (Shea, Wooten, Melton, Paea) with the exception of Peppers, and a new linebacker crew that's sort of in between peak age and old.

3) They've got good talent at WR, TE, RB, and QB, and a coach who plans to maximize the particular strengths of everyone on the offense.

4) This years FA acquisitions and draft picks will join a team that went 7-2 pre-Hanie in 2011, and an underachieving 10-6 last year.

I will grant you that the new coaching staff adds a considerable amount of variables into the equation, and that's partly why I wish they retained Marinelli. I have no idea how the D will look. I will only, and somewhat meekly, submit that the Ravens' D was unremarkable last year, but they did manage to go all the way with an offense that I don't think is considerably better than the Bears' group of guys.

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The TRIB's David Haugh has hopped on this:

Nobody can tell much about a team based on the first minicamp practice of a coach's tenure held indoors five months before the season opener.

But one thing jumped out immediately after watching the Bears usher in the Marc Trestman era Tuesday at the Walter Payton Center — and it wasn't that Trestman got more exercise zipping around the field than bored specialist Devin Hester.

It was impossible not to notice how the Bears neglected the quarterback depth chart, which should make using one of their first three draft picks to supplement the position a higher priority. Backups Josh McCown and Matt Blanchard taking snaps after Jay Cutler screamed potential problem more than solution, if anybody could hear anything over the construction noise around Halas Hall.


after general manager Phil Emery paid backup veteran quarterback Jason Campbell $3.1 million to provide peace of mind, the Bears went on the cheap by re-signing McCown as their No. 2 for the veteran's minimum. That Campbell lost his only start against the 49ers didn't make it an unwise investment in quarterback insurance. Emery's plan was sound even if Campbell's execution always wasn't.

An NFL team that goes into any season without a trusted backup quarterback asks for trouble. Unless Emery signs a more proven veteran or drafts a possible successor to Cutler, the Bears are asking for trouble in 2013.

Nothing against McCown, who will be 34 in July, but he has played in six games over the last four seasons. Yet the Bears dangerously chose to preserve salary-cap space and put faith in those numbers instead of the ones posted by other more accomplished, albeit expensive, free-agent backups such as Ryan Fitzpatrick (Titans) or Matt Hasselbeck (Colts). How bad an option could Brady Quinn have been if Seahawks coach Pete Carroll, who knows something about the most important position in sports, signed him?

At the end of training camp last summer the Bears considered McCown good enough to coach high school football in North Carolina and cut him. They welcomed McCown back in November after Cutler's concussion because of his acumen and ability to mesh with a franchise player with whom not everybody meshes. If Trestman is the quarterback whisperer, McCown is Cutler's designated caddie. Still, that is no reason to put McCown one play away from running the Bears offense. That is a reason to make McCown an assistant coach.

Trestman's offense indeed requires a high football IQ. After Tuesday's first installation phase, Trestman plans Wednesday to add another 100 plays. On Thursday, he might show players how to split the atom. So let the brainy backup, McCown, hold a clipboard but not the fate of the Bears in his hands if something happens to Cutler.

"The thing that I've gained an appreciation for is how deep (McCown's) influence is in this building — he's a glue guy,'' Emery said. "I'm more than confident that he can get on the field and help us win.''

The Bears have to think beyond employing a backup quarterback who can help win a game next season and seek someone Trestman can groom to help win the NFC North one day if Cutler isn't around, for whatever reason. Cutler has yet to prove he is indestructible or the quarterback of the Bears' future.

No guarantees exist that Cutler will return after playing out the final year of his deal. If the Bears believed without a doubt he was the long-term answer they already would have locked him up contractually. Suffice to say in his first practice under Trestman, Cutler was trying out more than just his new beard.

"We have to win games to sign those contracts,'' Cutler correctly answered when asked about Joe Flacco-like, nine-figure deals.

In case the Bears conclude Cutler can't, Emery must keep an open mind with the 20th pick of one of the more delightfully unpredictable NFL drafts in years.

What if USC's Matt Barkley falls? Everybody knows how willing Emery is to trade down as far as early in the second round, so what if Syracuse's Ryan Nassib remains on the board when the Bears finally are on the clock? Both Barkley and Nassib ran West Coast offenses in college. Both would give the Bears more reason to feel good about their quarterback depth than they currently can. Surely, Emery the scouting guru can unearth a quarterback no later than the fourth round to upgrade the position.

"Jay's contract status doesn't impact it (but) I'd like to draft a quarterback every year,'' Emery said. "If we could find the right quarterback, those are very valuable.''

To protect themselves better for now — and later — the Bears need Emery to keep looking on April 25.

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