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Next thing you know, they'll want to vote too...


DON'T WORRY. RICK WILL PROBABLY DISALLOW THEM.

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Next thing you know, they'll want to vote too...


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The woman hater thing is funny. I guess I hate IMU also because I don't believe he could play in the NBA either. Should still get a shot though...


If IMU or Rick had dominated college basketball like she has and executives and people in the media were talking about them having a chance to get drafted and making an NBA roster then I would agree. Since they aren't it is probably best to come up with another argument to disguise why so many men are afraid of women being better than they are.

I'm not afraid of anything in regards to this topic. I freely admit Brittany Griner is way better than I am at basketball. That doesn't make me feel less manly at all, but it also doesn't mean a damn thing in regards to her being an NBA caliber player. But once again, I do hope that she gets a shot so we can avoid these silly little PR events in the future. And like I said, if she succeeds ill admit I was completely wrong about her every time it's brought up.

Didnt Anne Meyers try this shit about 25 years ago with the Pacers and got her ass handed to her?

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So, from what I gather, most people here are against giving her a shot? Like she, or any other woman, shouldn't be given the opportunity?

I don't gather anyone being against her getting a shot at all. I just don't think anyone realistically expects her to be able to compete.

Yeah that is exactly how I read this thread. I don't really see people who are "against" her getting a shot, just most people do not think she really has a shot.

I would be perfectly fine seeing her get a shot at it. It would definitely be interesting and would get the NBA a lot of attention.

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Late to the party...

If a female athlete is going to have success in any of the major sports, I feel the NBA would get the best shot. I'm defining "success" as "actually playing on a team in the league".


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So it is your belief that she does not have the talent to play on any men's D-1 basketball team?
I honestly don't know enough about many of the lower level teams but there is no way she'd play on any Big Ten team.

I mean, if there was some 4 win small school she'd get playing time, and get destroyed by backups on other teams.

Once again, let me point out that women's teams all around the country practice against men's squads filled with players who couldn't play college basketball and lose...consistently.

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This thread reminded me of Manon Rhéaume. Had a chance to be an NHL goalie, even played in an NHL game (exhibition game but against NHLers nevertheless).
Was given a chance. Ultimately, could not compete against men physically.

The thing about Danica Patrick is a little different. She's not really competing physically against men.


Actually she is. Driving a NASCAR stock car is very physically challenging. Danny is what, 100 pounds soaking wet? I don't think she has the strength to compete with the stronger Male drivers.

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So, from what I gather, most people here are against giving her a shot? Like she, or any other woman, shouldn't be given the opportunity?

I don't gather anyone being against her getting a shot at all. I just don't think anyone realistically expects her to be able to compete.

Yeah that is exactly how I read this thread. I don't really see people who are "against" her getting a shot, just most people do not think she really has a shot.

I would be perfectly fine seeing her get a shot at it. It would definitely be interesting and would get the NBA a lot of attention.


What's the point of the WNBA if she deserves a shot at the NBA? Women were given their own professional league. I didn't read the previous 10 pages, due the fact it's 10 pages about a female basketball player.

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Wow. I've heard Grinder is a good kid and I wish her the best, but she would be embarrassed in the NBA or even the D League. She is 6'7" and barely dunks... not to mention that she would be outweighed by 100 pounds each night. This is a non-starter.

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At 210 lbs GRINER probably weighs more than MOST NBA players. There isn't an player in the NBA that weighs over 300 pounds. Just because she can't jump like LeBron doesn't mean she can BARELY dunk. Besides there are MEN in the NBA who can't dunk. A layup is also worth 2 points.

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She'll be expected to guard 4's or 5's. What 4 or 5 in the league is 210 lbs? Maybe Chuck Hayes and that's pretty much it. A player like Bargnani would even have a significant strength advantage over her.

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Based on this list her height and weight won't be an issue.

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At 210 lbs GRINER probably weighs more than MOST NBA players. There isn't an player in the NBA that weighs over 300 pounds. Just because she can't jump like LeBron doesn't mean she can BARELY dunk. Besides there are MEN in the NBA who can't dunk. A layup is also worth 2 points.


Yes Grinder weighs more than point guards. At 6'7", she's a rail. And the point about dunking is to show her lack of relative athleticism. Any skinny, 6'7" player in the NBA can dunk. Name me one player over 6'6" who can't.

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She'll be expected to guard 4's or 5's. What 4 or 5 in the league is 210 lbs? Maybe Chuck Hayes and that's pretty much it. A player like Bargnani would even have a significant strength advantage over her.


How big was Reggie Miller? Just about every SG was bigger than him and he didn't have a huge problem. Why do you believe she will have to guard PF? There are lesser talented WNBA players that not only held their own in YouTube videos against NBA players BUT got the best of them. Griner would be fine. All NBA players do not look like Ben Wallace or LeBron. Physically I'm probably bigger and stronger than most of them and Griner would kill me.

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At 210 lbs GRINER probably weighs more than MOST NBA players. There isn't an player in the NBA that weighs over 300 pounds. Just because she can't jump like LeBron doesn't mean she can BARELY dunk. Besides there are MEN in the NBA who can't dunk. A layup is also worth 2 points.


Yes Grinder weighs more than point guards. At 6'7", she's a rail. And the point about dunking is to show her lack of relative athleticism. Any skinny, 6'7" player in the NBA can dunk. Name me one player over 6'6" who can't.


Reggie Miller didn't dunk often and a layup is still worth 2 points. IIRC MJ was under 200 lbs or a little above it for most of his career. Power Forwards and Centers may outweigh her by 20 to 40 pounds.

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Her weight has nothing to do with the fact that the men she would be facing are just naturally stronger than her. Guards who are smaller than her will still be physically stronger than her.

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She'll be expected to guard 4's or 5's. What 4 or 5 in the league is 210 lbs? Maybe Chuck Hayes and that's pretty much it. A player like Bargnani would even have a significant strength advantage over her.


How big was Reggie Miller? Just about every SG was bigger than him and he didn't have a huge problem. Why do you believe she will have to guard PF? There are lesser talented WNBA players that not only held their own in YouTube videos against NBA players BUT got the best of them. Griner would be fine. All NBA players do not look like Ben Wallace or LeBron. Physically I'm probably bigger and stronger than most of them and Griner would kill me.


Are we watching the same sports? She is a standout in a league that is so physically inferior, it may as well be a different sport. This is insane. You are correct in that Reggie Miller was small. He was also very quick, never stopped moving, and was one of the greatest shooters ever. Griner plays in the paint. She is physically inferior by a HUGE margin.

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Are NBA players shrinking? Average height and weight down in 2012
Each season I delve into the average positional height and weight of NBA players. I select a random night with a bunch of games on the NBA schedule and then I look through the boxscores to identify the five players who played the most minutes for each team on that night. I prefer this method to analyze as opposed to just measuring the starting five for each team. You can call it the "Joel Przybilla" factor. As we all know - some starters may only play ten minutes per game, a la, Joel. So I dismiss the starting five as the best way to measure.



I also look past the Utopian idea of choosing from the "BEST" five on each team. Night-to-night, in the NBA, injuries, missed games due to personal reasons, suspensions, and new for 2012... "rest", force coaches to scramble. The resulting lineups are often the type that would make, master-lineup tinkerer, Don Nelson smile. Coaches improvise and players wind up playing in spots that most would not label their natural position.


So the "one-random night" approach is my choice for this audit. ...Once we have the five-man group for each team - we place one player at each of the five positions (1. point guard, 2. shooting guard, 3. small forward, 4. power forward, and 5. center). (see table)


The purpose of this exercise is to identify league trends, confirm or deny any claims that the "league is getting smaller", etc... Also - I will eventually compare all 2012 NBA Draft prospects with the results here to help determine who actually has an "NBA body" for their position.


For the record - I am mostly interested in the weight. Unfortunately - all we have to go by are the "listed weights" provided by each NBA team. This is problematic due to outright lies about the real weight of some players. For instance, NBA.com has Boris Diaw at 235 lbs, or the same weight as Kevin Durant. ...Right.


I have always believed that height measurements are silly. Players should be measured by their standing reach. This is not soccer. Players are not using the tops of their heads to affect play. They use their extended arms in basketball. Shamefully, the NBA does not list the standing reach of each player. DraftExpress.com has an expanding database of standing reach measurements but for this project we will use the NBA official listed heights.


What did we find in our audit of the 14 games on April 18, 2012?


I found that on this random, late-regular season night, the NBA, was indeed, relatively "smaller" than you might think. Perhaps Dr. Shrinker, the mad-scientist from the 1976 ABC children's television series - The Krofft SuperShow, has unleashed his "shrink-ray" on the NBA.


The point guard position checked in with an average height of 6'1", and an average weight of 189 lbs. The player in our survey that most closely resembles that size is Memphis' Mike Conley Jr. (6'1", 185). The height range for point guards went from Isaiah Thomas at 5'9" to Greivis Vasquez at 6'6". The weight range included the low-end 165 lbs. for John Lucas III to rookie Charles Jenkins at 225 lbs.


At shooting guard, the average size and weight equaled 6'4", 202 lbs. Washington's Jordan Crawford (6'4", 195) comes close to this average profile. Last season, the average size was 6'6", 211 lbs. So the size at the TWO spot has really gotten smaller. The range for SG's was interesting due to Paul Pierce logging minutes at the TWO on this night where Ray Allen was out of the lineup. The shortest SG's were 6'1" (Mo Williams, Jannero Pargo), while the tallest was Devin Ebanks at 6'9". The weight range for shooting guards went from 180 lbs. (Jrue Holiday, Jerome Dyson, Jason Terry), to Pierce at 235 lbs.


The average size of the NBA small forward is shrinking too. With more teams running out "three-guard" line-ups, the THREE position came in with an average just a shade below 6'7". We will go ahead and "round up" since it was fractionally close. The average SF weight was 221 lbs. The closest to 6'7", 221 in our audit were DeMar DeRozan (6'7", 215), Kawhi Leonard (6'7", 225), Thabo Sefolosha (6'7" 215), and Jimmy Butler (6'7" 220). The smallest THREE-man on this night was Willie Green at 6'3", and the tallest was Austin Daye at 6'11". The weight range was 195 lbs. (Belinelli) to 260 lbs. (World Peace).



Dr. Shrinker has also apparently used his evil laser on the power forward crop. Would you believe the average size is less than 6'9"? (The actual size is 6'8.9"). Okay - it is just a a hair under 6'9". (So again - we will round up.) The weight average is 236 lbs. Players who fit the average profile include Antawn Jamison and Kevin Durant? At power forward??? Traditionally - Jamison is thought of as an under-sized FOUR, and Durant is viewed as an over-sized THREE. But - like we said - coaches are experimenting, and Scott Brooks will, at times, play Durant as the the second BIG next to either, Ibaka, Collison, or Perkins.


The range for power forwards went from 6'6" (Andre Iguodala), to 7'0" (Pau Gasol).


Finally - we found that 6'10, 251 lbs. is the average size of a NBA center in 2012. Drew Gooden is 6'10", 250 - almost a perfect match. Three teams played guys that were 6'8" at Center (Ivan Johnson, Boris Diaw, Udonis Haslem). The tall end of the range was 7'1" (Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol).


My conclusions? The NBA is shrinking, and-or, getting more fit. When I looked back to the same exercise I did last year - I found that this year, all five of the five positions trended smaller. (see below)


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Her weight has nothing to do with the fact that the men she would be facing are just naturally stronger than her. Guards who are smaller than her will still be physically stronger than her.


We don't know this to be true. You may be right though.

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Those smaller players also have freakish athleticism or very unique, specialized skill sets. Kyle Korver could get any shot he wanted in the WNBA. Kirk Hinrich would be the most athletic PG in the league.

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She'll be expected to guard 4's or 5's. What 4 or 5 in the league is 210 lbs? Maybe Chuck Hayes and that's pretty much it. A player like Bargnani would even have a significant strength advantage over her.


How big was Reggie Miller? Just about every SG was bigger than him and he didn't have a huge problem. Why do you believe she will have to guard PF? There are lesser talented WNBA players that not only held their own in YouTube videos against NBA players BUT got the best of them. Griner would be fine. All NBA players do not look like Ben Wallace or LeBron. Physically I'm probably bigger and stronger than most of them and Griner would kill me.

Nah man. Most NBA players tower over guys like us. She's not big enough to bang in the paint, and she doesn't have the skill set to play on the perimeter. It's really that simple.

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She'll be expected to guard 4's or 5's. What 4 or 5 in the league is 210 lbs? Maybe Chuck Hayes and that's pretty much it. A player like Bargnani would even have a significant strength advantage over her.


How big was Reggie Miller? Just about every SG was bigger than him and he didn't have a huge problem. Why do you believe she will have to guard PF? There are lesser talented WNBA players that not only held their own in YouTube videos against NBA players BUT got the best of them. Griner would be fine. All NBA players do not look like Ben Wallace or LeBron. Physically I'm probably bigger and stronger than most of them and Griner would kill me.

Nah man. Most NBA players tower over guys like us. She's not big enough to bang in the paint, and she doesn't have the skill set to play on the perimeter. It's really that simple.


My point was that athletically and height wise I couldn't hold my own against NBA players but when it came to strength I am probably stronger than most. That won't get me far against them or someone like Griner. Athleticism and shooting are more of a problem for her. Size and strength are being overplayed.

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I disagree on both counts I guess. You're not exactly frail, but I believe most nba players have more strength than you do, especially lower body strength. And they definitely have much more than Griner. And that's what really matters. It's really not a big deal if she can't bench 250, but if she can't hold the block, and I don't believe she can, than she won't have a chance to be anything except awful.

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I disagree on both counts I guess. You're not exactly frail, but I believe most nba players have more strength than you do, especially lower body strength. And they definitely have much more than Griner. And that's what really matters. It's really not a big deal if she can't bench 250, but if she can't hold the block, and I don't believe she can, than she won't have a chance to be anything except awful.


This.

It's a different game. It may look like people sneak in for rebounds in the right place at the right time, but that is rare. Interior players in the NBA are full grown men with extremely strong lower bodies. The ones who don't have extremely strong lower bodies are freakish athletes (meaning like 40" + verticals). And they usually gain extremely strong lower bodies as they age. It's either one or the other. Griner has neither, and she never will. This is because there are gigantic differences between men and women, physically.

Tyrus Thomas never succeeded in the league, and he was at least 6'10" with a tremendous vertical... probably double what Griner's is. Thomas could also hit the occasional perimeter shot, and he would go around Gryner like she was standing in mud. The skill level between Tyrus Thomas and Griner contains thousands of men who never sniffed the NBA.

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