I hope they don't intend to keep those shitty banners up all year. Makes it look like they play in a fucking tent.

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Speaking of rich, that's exactly what your response is!

There are Grand Canyon sized leaps in this thread.

JORR, I don't know you either. Were you bullied by a Ricketts as a kid? Did the Cubs kidnap a family member? Why do you hate them so much? Besides, the "poor" people you're championing mostly paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for a one bedroom condo, near a really loud ballpark. Some paid a million for a house...near a really loud ballpark. Anyone living there before 1914 is totally exempt and has every right to bitch about the noise.

Following your logic, O'Hare should be shut down because those poor (by comparison) people think it creates too much noise? O'Hare wants to expand? Fuck those rich bastards! They need to contract!!! Stop oppressing the poor and silence the airport!!

Perfectly normal.

And if you're going quote me in an accusing manner, at least get my damn words right.

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What the hell are you on about.

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He can't seem to explain why he believes a regular guy who moves in next to a pre-existing condition and complains about it should "shut the fuck up" but a guy with a lot of dough can buy whatever he wants and when he complains everyone should bow and give him everything he wants.

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What are you talking about? Did I misquote you with "shut the fuck up" when you actually said "shut up already"? Are you really going to try to parse and semanticize your way out of your foolishness?

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I don't think that's reason at all.

I think a stronger reason might be how some of us have to worry about money and some don't

I think most of us are practical people rather than great thinkers or revolutionaries. We want to enjoy our pleasures whatever they may be. But you'd have to be pretty heartless to think there isn't something wrong in a world where some people are starving and others don't have enough garages to house all their cars, at least from a philosophical standpoint.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

again!

And you have trouble grasping simple concepts without making sweeping generalizations.

JORR! Champion of the poor (who in reality aren't really poor)!

Perhaps it's something you picked up as the roommate of the bass player for Boz Scaggs?

Like you've said, "Fuck those cocksucking Ricketts!!"

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Seriously, could you just explain why you think it's okay for Ricketts or the Tribune Company or whoever to buy a property with existing conditions and complain about those conditions, but you have different standards for everyone else? Because you haven't yet.

And if you think taking personal shots at me that have nothing to do with the conversation furthers your argument, I think you're sadly mistaken. It just makes you look like a douche.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Almost everyone still has to worry about money. If the poor were the only ones with a vote, do you think your taxes and my taxes would go up or down?
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. The building of garages doesn't limit the amount of food available.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Well, I don't think most people- certainly not most Americans- look at their existence on earth as a struggle for limited resources. We're lucky in this country that even the poorest among us probably don't have to. But really, at some level, that's what it is.

The wealthiest have built a web of "laws" and social constructs to protect their interests. They use their power under the structures they have created to take what they want. If that structure were to disappear, there would quite likely be different people who became wealthy and powerful.

Take the concept of "ownership" of land, for example. At its very core, I would argue it's immoral. But most of us- and I'm not excluding myself- simply work within the conditions we find. (Except Tom Ricketts and the people that move in next to ballparks and airports. They whine like bitches.) We work our asses off to buy 1200 square feet of dirt and tell ourselves we've accomplished something.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

This explains perfectly why middle class people feel more aligned with the rich than the poor. You seem to be doing alright. I'm doing alright. Most of the board seems to be doing alright. Restarting the system would likely be bad for most of us.
Land ownership isn't immoral. It's a concept that predates humans. The process has just become more civilized.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yeah, someone created legal descriptions.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I don't know if it would be bad or good for most of us. I've spoken to you plenty in this forum, and I think both you and I would do fine on our wits alone if structure broke down. Plus, you're young and I believe you've mentioned you're 6'5" or 6'6". Hell, you might be king of an entire area.

But, yeah, the rich are smart enough to know they have to let some crumbs roll off their groaning tables for everyone else. They use the middle class as a cudgel to hold the very poor down. Things like welfare and LINK cards are not designed to help the poor. They are designed to prevent the poor from coming to Winnetka and taking what they want.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I couldn't even survive one vote in CSFMB Survivor. I don't like my chances in the anarchy of real life.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yes, almost everyone. That includes you me and the poor guy. It does not include the super rich.

This is how the poor become demonized. Not that Rick is outright doing that. He's just saying our interests are aligned more with rich people.

That thought usually snowballs into bitching about Link cards.

I would bet all the LINK cards in existence don't add up to one tax break for Boeing.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I'm pretty sure that JORR's "The only thing stopping the poor from stealing all your stuff is LINK cards" does far more to demonize them than I do.

In reality, you can see that he agrees with me that the middle class and rich do align closer than the middle class and poor.

I just find it interesting that political research groups have determined that $250k is a sweet spot for "tax them more!". I wonder what the polling shows for those who make under $35k and who they think should be "taxed more!"?

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That's not demonization, Rick. People are people. If a guy can gut you financially from the comforts of his corner office, he has no reason to whack you over the head with a pipe. The latter is a much riskier operation.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Neither is saying a guy who makes less than me thinks I make too much and would change it if he could.

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I don't think either RPB or I said it was.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Not really.

I get what he's saying. I didnt say you demonize the poor. You just dont feel for them and that turns into demonizing down the road in some cases.


What?


Whose reality? I dont get how you get to these absolutes sometimes man. I couldnt disagree more with what you just tried to present as fact.



I dont know why you seem hung up on this.

I really dont know why Mark Cuban saying he thinks you should make as much as you can and homeless pete saying you make too much affects anything.

Homeless Pete might try to rob you for 20$
Cuban might try to buy your company and ship the job overseas.

One of them will be seen as a criminal, the other a shrewd businessman

And now, you are Homeless Pete's henchmen, because your job is being done by a 12 year old in the middle east.

I wanna be clear about this. I am NOT saying you demonize the poor.

Im saying your take on it often times goes along with that thinking.

JORR constantly talks about the poor rising up and what they'd do to people like us and the rich if they weren't placated with LINK cards and other things. I'm not talking in absolutes. I'm just taking his exact thought and thinking about what else it means. JORR thinks there is a discontent with the poor about the current situation and if they aren't kept happy they would do something about it. Therefore, he does agree that the middle class and rich do align closer. You don't need to play the "you talk in absolutes card" all the time. Just think about what JORR is saying.
If one person thinks I'm overpaid, and one thinks I'm not overpaid, then which one is more likely to treat me better?

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Its not a card. Maybe if you didnt start your opinions off with "In reality..."

I have thought about what JORR is saying. He is speaking hypothetically. Our system is already in place.

Also, I dont think saying a homeless guy would try and physically get food is demonizing him.



Not enough information.

If the rich guy would make more money by treating you poorly, he would

If the poor guy would get to eat more regularly by treating you poorly, he would

Which guy has a better reason?

We all speak hypothetically. His point is that if our government didn't provide LINK cards that the poor would get upset and start taking things back by force from people who have more than them. The natural extension to that is to think that there exists a climate among the poor that wants to take from the people who have more than them. You think they'd stop when they get some bread and ham?
Even if we say that is true, it's just another reason why I'm better off being closer aligned with the rich than the poor. While the current economic system in our country needs work, it's still pretty good for most of us.

However, I still think you underestimate how the poor view those who make more money. Most people have a natural bias built in for that.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Go back and read some of your responses to me.

Take your own advice there Champ.

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You are really taking that a little far. I think JORR should explain what he meant.

That is not at all what I got from it.

I dont think he's saying the poor are bad people by nature or prone to stealing. He's saying if we lived in a free for all society, thats how it would go down. We dont though.



However, I still think you underestimate how the poor view those who make more money. Most people have a natural bias built in for that.[/quote]
First of all, of course its true. Rich people dont get rich by passing up oppurtunities to make money.

Secondly, I am not following you at all. Why would that make you align with the rich?

What do you mean by closely align?

I'll respond to BRick later but, Bryan; as a neutral observer, do you think I attacked Killer V or just what he was saying? I don't see where I got personal. Maybe I'm missing a post. I didn't even call him "champ" or "sport".

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don