Prospects are prospects until they are proven.



No, read the Beckham expectations thread. Not just Boers. The fact that Sox fans werent jumping at the possible trade is enough proof that they waaaaay overvalued this prospect.


Not really. Maybe in the media and maybe it helps advance the Cubbie fans are so dumb lololol narrative, but its really not true.

Felix Pie, Corey Patterson, etc.

These guys were rated extremely high by non cub prospect watchers like Baseball America. I dont think you can put that on Cubs fans.

It is not about 1 or 2 guys. It is about the entire team and more importantly it is about the pitching. Rizzo doesn't have to be the MVP and Castro doesn't have to win the batting title for this team to win. They just need to upgrade the rest of the team around them and get some dominant pitchers.

Even though Theo is obviously compared to the sawx I would rather see the team be more like the Giants, the multiple championship Giants.

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I think it's great to hope prospects turn out. But way too much thought goes into them. Especially on the North side of Chicago. Is Viciedo better than Rizzo? I don't know, but if I could have someone better in left, I'd want him. I'm not telling you, okay, the Sox are set in left until 2020.

I don't really think it's just a Cubs thing though. Peope are so quick to anoint guys. A guy hits .330 over 350 at-bats and a lot of fans put him in the Hall of Fame. I can remember arguing with guys on some MLB message board about Johan Santana. To a man, every one on there said he was a Hall of Fame lock. I said his career wouldn't be better than Buehrle's and was treated as if that was the most preposterous notion on earth. Baseball is a game of time and repetition. People seem to forget that.

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Well, if I'm a Cubs fan I can't feel too good about that.

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I disagree. Beckham was already on the major league team and we knew he wasn't going back. Is Rizzo still a prospect?
Your point? No one said that other fan bases don't overvalue players. I still don't consider him a prospect but as a player the expectations were overvalued.
You have Cub fans reporting on home runs hit by prospects and arguments about the ceiling of a player being hall of fame. Right now, there are probably 4 players considered future really good players by the Cub fans, especially if you still count Rizzo as being a "prospect".
So was Beckham!

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That was one of the funniest things the other day when "Dan from Deerfield" was trolling B&b. He asked where the pitching was and bernstein became incredulous and said, "THEO IS GOING TO DRAFT IT THIS YEAR!!!!!!!" Terry chimed in, "Yeah, yeah, they've got the second pick." As if this year's draft has Bob Feller, Bob Gibson, and Randy Johnson in it and Theo is going to find all three of them, make the selections, send them to Kane County and wait for the magic to happen. When they arrive, perfectly timed to coincide with the completion of Wrigley renovations and the MVP duel between Jorge Soler and Albert Almora, Theo and Jed will just supplement them with a couple of carefully selected free agents. Voila! WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oh, hell no. The depth is historically bad. I don't think anyone worth anything is above A ball and most of them are in extended sprint training or KC. You can't really project anything with these guys until they get to AA and face some more refined hitters.

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old baseball rule: when likening one player to another they must be of same race, relative size, and bat/throw with same arm.

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I think so.

I consider guys prospects until they show what they are


My point was that you were incorrect in putting it on just Terry Boers




Cub fans follow the minor league teams? How dare they!

And they do it more when the big league team is bad? I wonder why!

I love how you speak for Cub fans as a whole. And that you think having hopes for 4 players out of about 100 in the minor leagues means you're going overboard.




Right, so I guess it's not the team's fans and its more just how these guys are rated in general?

Good talk

I didn't put it just on Terry Boers. Remember how you like to say that I tell people what they are thinking? Boers is the biggest example.

Once again though, Beckham seems to be an anomaly. I don't even know who the next great Chicago White Sox player is.


If you are going to play "you know what everyone is thinking!" card in every discussion then it's pointless to discuss with you again.

My point, all along, is that Cubs fans should not be throwing stones at others for overrating prospects since they do it as much more or more than most. I don't know why you get so defensive about it. It seems pretty obvious that the Cubs for the past decade have had a ton of huge prospects they expected big things of.

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The thread has devolved yet again into "Cubs fans are stupid for being Cubs fans". Thanks Sox fans!!! My eyes are now open!

Yes, I know you're not a huge baseball fan or interested in minor leagues.


Again, its NOT a card. You ARE ACTUALLY DOING IT.

There are 4 players that Cub fans think are really good.

Are you kidding? And you're crying that Im unfairly saying you lump groups together and apply thoughts to them?

Really?

Than what would you call it?



Yeah, that's just not true. Its a narrative perpetuated by Sox fans and lazy people who dont want to actually find out the truth.

The past decade has seen less Cub "big" prospects than most ten year runs. You're not even trying.

Boilermaker Rick: Cub fans are silly geese!

rpb: Not really

Boilermaker Rick: Its pointless talking to you

rpb: Whatever jerk



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No, that's how it's being deflected by Cubs fans.

My point was simple. Don't throw stones about "overrating players" when one of the huge recent discussions on this board is if a struggling Cubs prospect can still become a hall of fame track player.

I'm not calling you stupid, just hypocritical.

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Yeah, I'm officially done talking baseball with you. At least you got one last "You don't know anything about baseball" shot in!

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That's Sox fan Bernstein who you're using as an example of Cubs fans having blind faith in Theo and unrealistic expectation prospects. Uh, oh....

Alright, just fucking chill out. None of this matters.


Who are you talking about there? If you're talking about IMU and Brett Jackson, that doesnt count. He's clearly trolling

Dont be a diva

I didnt mean and dont think you dont know anything about baseball

But I dont think its your favorite sport is it? And if you're bashing people for following the minor leagues, Im just pointing out that maybe they are just a little more baseball crazy than you. Doesnt mean they are stupid fans thinking everyone is great.

oh shit....

Good point by Kirkwood.

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Yeah sorta but if you are JORR and believe what JORR believes it makes perfect sense.


I cant believe Boilermaker Rick is taking his ball and bat and going home.

I might quit the board

The JORR thing is kinda of a crackpot theory that only he really believes though, but I hear ya.

I think Brick is just having a bad day. It happens to all of us.

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"Cowabunga? Cowa fucking piece of dog shit! This game is diarrhea coming out of my dick!"

I disagree with it but dont think its a crack pot theory.

I actually believe what JORR thinks about Bernstein is actually true with North.



I just sent him a heartfelt PM. Fingers crossed.

I'm having a good day, but I can't remember the last time I discussed baseball with rpb that he didn't bring up that I don't really know much about it. There are some counterpoints I don't really find interesting enough to continue with.

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If Jared Mitchell would have charged the opposing dugout with a bat, Cubs fans would be having a field day with it.

Post of the thread.

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I see.

You just rarely break like that. You're one of the more composed, "on message" guys here. I figured you might have just been annoyed all around.

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"Cowabunga? Cowa fucking piece of dog shit! This game is diarrhea coming out of my dick!"

That's just outright false.

You deride people for following minor leagues and then I point out that maybe you're not as big a fan as them.

Also, you seem to rely on google. When I bring up things that baseball fans would remember (A.J. Pierzynski being unwanted and seen as a problem in the off sesaon before going into 05) you dismiss that becasue there is nothing to look up on it.

But it happened, and im sure the baseball fanatics here remember it well. Any dismissal of your opinion has been retaliation.

It's just like the "You hate Jay Cutler" stuff. Eventually, it's useless to argue with some points. Even I have my limits where I get bored with arguments.

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If I remember correctly, I believe that I agreed with you that AJ wasn't wanted by many teams but I said that is one of the reasons it was such a good move by Kenny. It was part of your argument that Kenny "rolled the dice and it all worked out perfectly" theory. I'll google it and see if I can find it.

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No, I said that A.J. was seen as a cancer in the Giants lockerroom and pitchers didnt want to work with him and that was hurting his free agency

You mocked it and called it the "players dont like him metric"