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Since Tiger never knew this rule, I'll bet there are other incidents where he had illegal drops. Perhaps in some of his major wins. You know people are gonna go back and review the videos.

Maybe other golfers have done so as well, but I have to believe that 99% of pro golfers know this rule. Not Tiger. Once again, that's the most amazing thing to me.

And it's clear he wasn't trying to cheat as he admitted it in his interview. His admission is the only reason they penalized him. They thought it was clean initially.

Bullshit he was already DQ this year for the same shit...so ignorance makes it ok...your a jagoff too!

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What? If he was trying to cheat you don't incriminate yourself. Had he not talked about his drop in the interview nothing is done to him. How many bank robbers run to reporters to talk about robbing the bank? I agree. Ignorance doesn't make it "OK". He should have known and deserves the 2 stroke penalty. I'm just saying it wasn't his intention to cheat. He simply didn't know the rule.


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Tiger putting for eagle on 15, sitting at -2, chance to move to -4, an eagle off the lead, as Cabrera comes back to the pack.


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What? If he was trying to cheat you don't incriminate yourself. Had he not talked about his drop in the interview nothing is done to him. How many bank robbers run to reporters to talk about robbing the bank? I agree. Ignorance doesn't make it "OK". He should have known and deserves the 2 stroke penalty. I'm just saying it wasn't his intention to cheat. He simply didn't know the rule.

Give me another golfer that took a two shot penalty the next day??? If not shut the fuck up :D

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Azinger, who has been pointing for this tournament since losing a four-way playoff here to Greg Norman last year, will again have to wait until next year. After he posted a 65 today, officials informed Azinger that a tape of a television telecast showed he had moved loose impediments after taking his stance in a water hazard while playing his final hole on Thursday.

A television viewer who said he was calling from Colorado told PGA Tour officials this morning that he had seen Azinger break the rule during the Thursday telecast on the USA cable network. When the PGA Tour tournament director, Mike Shea, reviewed the tape, he agreed that Azinger had in fact violated rule 13-4, subsection C of the Rules of Golf. Unaware of Violation

Because Azinger had not assessed himself a two-stroke penalty for the violation, he signed an incorrect scorecard by approving his first-round score of 69. Signing for a score that is lower than what a player actually shot calls for an automatic disqualification in professional golf.

"It's disappointing because I've been playing so well," said Azinger, who added that he was not aware he was breaking a rule. "I was playing well enough to win the tournament. Last year was a major disappointment, and I've always focused toward this tournament."

Azinger committed the infraction while taking his stance for a wedge shot out of the the water hazard on the 425-yard, par-4 18th hole. After settling into his stance, Azinger used his left foot to kick away several rocks. Taking a Stance

"I was just trying to assume a stance," said Azinger, who, after being shown a videotape, at first protested his disqualification. "It was a subconscious thing, to dig my foot in there to get a stance. It had zero influence on the shot that I played."

But Azinger, who appealed the decision by telephone to the PGA Tour commissioner, Deane Beman, also conceded that he had illegally moved a loose impediment in a hazard.

Azinger's disqualification was nearly identical to an incident involving Craig Stadler at the 1987 San Diego Open. In the third round, Stadler placed a towel on the ground to kneel on while swinging at a ball lying under a tree. But a television viewer called in the next day contending that the use of the towel constituted a violation of the rule prohibiting "building a stance." Officials concurred, and Stadler was disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard.


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http://www.pga.com/teen-golfer-disquali ... nior-event


Will be interesting if Tiger finishes within 2 shots of the winning score. He's 4 shots back now at -3, including the 2 penalty strokes. But he'd be in a 6 way tie for 2nd--with Couples/Cabrera/Scott/et al--if he didn't lose those 2 strokes.


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Hilarious tiger post round interview with mcatee:

"Tiger, did you ever consider disqualifying yourself?"

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Only in golf can you review tape, and a day later decide to penalize a guy. Heard on the Score this morning that a fan had called the PGA last night bitching that it was a bad drop. In my world, if you don't catch right away, it's a done issue.

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Only in golf can you review tape, and a day later decide to penalize a guy. Heard on the Score this morning that a fan had called the PGA last night bitching that it was a bad drop. In my world, if you don't catch right away, it's a done issue.

Bullshit only in golf can you cheat and get away with it ! Chief

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Only in golf can you review tape, and a day later decide to penalize a guy. Heard on the Score this morning that a fan had called the PGA last night bitching that it was a bad drop. In my world, if you don't catch right away, it's a done issue.

Bullshit only in golf can you cheat and get away with it ! Chief


In baseball, batters routinely erase the back line of the batter's box in order to stand further back.

They never are punished for breaking the rules.

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Only in golf can you review tape, and a day later decide to penalize a guy. Heard on the Score this morning that a fan had called the PGA last night bitching that it was a bad drop. In my world, if you don't catch right away, it's a done issue.

Bullshit only in golf can you cheat and get away with it ! Chief


In baseball, batters routinely erase the back line of the batter's box in order to stand further back.

They never are punished for breaking the rules.



Every sport probably has some rules that aren't followed correctly. Another one in baseball would be the neighborhood play. That's a joke, you need to touch the damn base.

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Exactly.

I was just pointing out to my friend Walt that golf isn't the only sport you can cheat in and get away with it.

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No, there aren't many, if any, other players that were given a 2 stroke penalty the next day and allowed to keep playing. So you're a genius....

They changed the rule last year, maybe year before? To allow for that type of ruling. There were no three pointers made before the 3 point line was created either..


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schmitty1121 wrote:
Only in golf can you review tape, and a day later decide to penalize a guy. Heard on the Score this morning that a fan had called the PGA last night bitching that it was a bad drop. In my world, if you don't catch right away, it's a done issue.

Bullshit only in golf can you cheat and get away with it ! Chief


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No, there aren't many, if any, other players that were given a 2 stroke penalty the next day and allowed to keep playing. So you're a genius....

They changed the rule last year, maybe year before? To allow for that type of ruling. There were no three pointers made before the 3 point line was created either..


There have been a handful of examples where officials have penalized a player after his round, most notably at the 1968 Masters.

One of the two Rules that saved Tiger was instated by the USGA in 2011.


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I like the decision to allow him to play on, with the 2 stroke penalty. The penalty was stiff enough and yet if he had been DQ'ed it would have seemed like the punishment was over the top. This felt like a just penalty. That said, if it had been a golfer without Tigers popularity, I wouldn't have been shocked if it had gone differently. But the ratings on the weekend broadcasts would have been altered greatly had be been disqualified.

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This rule was finally explained to me by a friend. Nobody in the media that I've seen has bothered to explain it well.

You're allowed to back up the drop if the ball lands in the water. But only if it's the same angle where the ball went into the water. Most of the time that's the case. Tiger hit the pin and it kicked left. So he wasn't allowed to back it up at the spot of the shot. Had to be a drop where it was.

OK. Now I get why he didn't know the rule. I was under the impression that you couldn't back it up, period!!! It's rare that a ball would kick off a flag into the water. Now I get why Tiger didn't know the rule. He should have. But it's not a common occurance.


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This rule was finally explained to me by a friend. Nobody in the media that I've seen has bothered to explain it well.

You're allowed to back up the drop if the ball lands in the water. But only if it's the same angle where the ball went into the water. Most of the time that's the case. Tiger hit the pin and it kicked left. So he wasn't allowed to back it up at the spot of the shot. Had to be a drop where it was.

OK. Now I get why he didn't know the rule. I was under the impression that you couldn't back it up, period!!! It's rare that a ball would kick off a flag into the water. Now I get why Tiger didn't know the rule. He should have. But it's not a common occurance.


It's a difficult rule that probably 90% of amateur golfers break without even knowing it. He had three options:

1) Use the predetermined drop area.
2) Drop the ball in an imaginary straight line from the point between the flag and where the ball last entered the hazard, which was just off the green. His next shot would be 30 yards to the left of his original shot. He also had the option to go as far back on that imaginary line as he wanted.
3) He had to drop the ball as "close as possible" to the original lie.

Tiger chose option 3. He mixed up options 2 and 3 when he dropped the ball 2 yards behind the original divot.


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Some stupid golf thoughts in the last couple of pages. Starting in West Lafayette area of greater SE NY.....
Maybe stick to bad football thoughts, champ. Your golf ignorance is embarrassing.


Although somebody else comparing the marital status of Nick Faldo to what Tiger did on a golf course is an admirable attempt at.....wait..... - why are we bringing up Nick Faldo's 2nd wife when discussing whether or not Tiger should be DQ'd from a golf tournament??? :lol: Sheesh....


Here's what happened (after the fact): CBS had no say in this. Neither did Nike. Augusta National decided they wanted Tiger to play on and it was a terrible call. Precedent has been set for viewers calling in rules violations - that's a different discussion. BUT - go ahead and bitch about it, commentators and reporters - and then you can sit at Chris Berman's house for the rest of your life and watch every Master's on TV because your badge will be gone.

IMO, this can be summed up in two simple questions:

1. What score did Tiger actually shoot on Friday?
2. What score did he sign his name to?

Give me two honest answers to those questions. This is a clear cut, no gray area, absolute DQ. This is a farce.


Long live the historic and great "tradition" of the newest/youngest major in golf.


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My issue with a dq is the fact that originally the official ruled it ok. Why should he penalize himself if a course official rules the play legal?

I'm satisfied with how everything went. The new rule is in place and must be followed as well.

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My issue with a dq is the fact that originally the official ruled it ok. Why should he penalize himself if a course official rules the play legal?

I'm satisfied with how everything went. The new rule is in place and must be followed as well.


Exactly.

To be fair, my knee-jerk reaction was that Tiger should DQ himself. After gaining a better understanding of what actually happened, I now realize that everything was decided in complete accordance of the Rules.

People calling for his DQ now are speaking solely from some other motive.


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My issue with a dq is the fact that originally the official ruled it ok. Why should he penalize himself if a course official rules the play legal?

I'm satisfied with how everything went. The new rule is in place and must be followed as well.


Exactly.

To be fair, my knee-jerk reaction was that Tiger should DQ himself. After gaining a better understanding of what actually happened, I now realize that everything was decided in complete accordance of the Rule.

Agreed as this was my same reaction.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
My issue with a dq is the fact that originally the official ruled it ok. Why should he penalize himself if a course official rules the play legal?

I'm satisfied with how everything went. The new rule is in place and must be followed as well.


Exactly.

To be fair, my knee-jerk reaction was that Tiger should DQ himself. After gaining a better understanding of what actually happened, I now realize that everything was decided in complete accordance of the Rule.

Agreed as this was my same reaction.


You mean David Duval and Nick Faldo may not be completely above board in their reasoning?

I'm shocked!

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People calling for his DQ now are speaking solely from some other motive.

Because they hate balcks?

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People calling for his DQ now are speaking solely from some other motive.

Because they hate balcks?


Yep. Others because he banged all those whores. Then there are older people that don't want him to take Jack's record.

So it's a mix of racism, whorism and Jackism. For some it's all three.


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I like Tiger being in contention on Sunday. It just makes it more interesting. But I want to see him get beat. Nothing to do with any of the "isms" I mentioned above.

I think near misses with him is just more compelling.

Today, if he loses by 1 stroke after getting that penalty, that would be quite a story. Even better if he loses in a playoff.


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If he had not gotten the two stroke penalty, he would have played with Adam Scott/Steve Williams today. That would have been fun.

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Masters.com has a nice stream.

Why the Masters won't allow CBS to broadcast all day Saturday and Sunday is beyond me. My God, that's millions in lost revenue. Especially when they miss Tiger's first few holes like today and yesterday.


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Something is wrong with Jim Nance. Every thing is so dramatic with his voice inflections. Like he's covering a war. Like the Tiger stuff yesterday. Man, you would have thought it was an American tragedy when he was interviewing that douche from the masters.

Also, when he's interviewing people in that cabin, the vibe from him and the masters officials, in their green jackets, is one of gayness and racism. :lol:


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Nantz is a fucking douchebag. The king of Vanilla.

Also, nice to hear the assfucks screaming right after a shot is hit. Those people should be taken out back and beaten.


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