I'd say a host could benefit from having learned how to think critically if I ever thought anyone at the Score thought critically.

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Also, while Jiggs went to Harvard, I don't think the university uses him as a proud example of what their education does for a person.

Jiggs: Tommy from the South side, you're on the air?

Caller: Dial tone.

Jiggs: You there, Tommy? Hmmmmmmmm. Put Tommy on hold. Hmmmmmmmm.

Right and a Lifeguard maybe could use some critical thinking but its not a pre requisite and one can be great without it.


Its like wanting your hitman college educated.

But the main point is Bernstein pretty much told drinky and Goff that they're not worthy of hosting at the Score. If Bernstein has a college education as a requirement, Mitch is gonna mandate it.

The production quality at the Score is a far cry from where it was back in the day. Hell, some producers even brag about that from time to time.

And the ratings are monitored more accurately now then they were back in the day. That shows up currently as double the amount of listeners then were recorded in the HFC and Monsters heyday.

I have a met more and more 18-24 year olds of late who are big Score fans, similiar to how you refered to yourself at that age. The station itself however identifies itself far differently now then it did back in the early to mid 90's.

Score guys were taking on the personna of the hosts who were taking on the big bad ESPN Goliath down the dial.

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and yet, North was probably the most popular host in the history of the station with Mc Neil (who adopted North's populist style) being a close second

I think I could make a strong counter argument that the college degreed staff has actually been a detriment to the quality of the station

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For the sake of argument, please make it.

Did Tommy Williams go to college?

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No.

I'd probably first analyze the underlying statement about hosts having college educations NOW and its effect on pandering. I'd point out how degreed subs like Finfer and drinky haven't reduced the pandering. I would then indicate that two of the three current dayparts are staffed by peole who ALSO held daypart positions in the past, neither of whom appear to have changed their broadcast style. Ultimately the argument would reach the conclusion that Dan really intended, an analysis of North versus Bernstien. In my argument, I would compare the relative popularity of the two, with North dominating ratings and Dan never winning until ESPN laid down. I would anecdotally argue about their relative impacts on the industry. I would then describe the value of a station reflecting North's character versus Bernstien's.

I'd probably throw in a few cheap shots at Buttfuck, Schtoopy and the rest of the Bernstien Apple Bag Hovering Gang being no less the lowest common denominator than Scoreheads of the past.

This would take pages, time and only your would read it.

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*ding*

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Yes

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Forgot you are a lawyer for a second. No need for pages. This was just fine.

Jesus, how many lawers are on this board?

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I think you are confusing popular with well-known. I would like to see actual ratings from the Monsters era which supports the notion that they were anywhere near as popular as you seem to think. I have been a Score listener from day 1 & I don't recall the stations rating's ever being more than a blip during the romanticized "classic Score" lineup era.

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Let's be honest, if WMVP decided to put up North and Jiggs against B&B, they'd still get crushed in the ratings.

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Do you understand how useless Arbitron diaries were?

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I cannot make a good comparison given the difference in the way ratings were determined. You would also have to factor in the Score starting from zero, having a weak signal, changing locations and being a part time station. Bernstien stands on the shoulders of those who came before him.

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No one does more than the folks at WGN do!!

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They were certainly not as accurate as the current methodology but "useless" is a bit much. I'm sure if North had more billboards he would have dominated.

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Did that actually happen? Because if it had, i would not be surprised a bit.

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He did dominate. The billboards are a later day North thing.

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Jason Goff is not a college graduate. Perhaps it's his departure that Bernstein is celebrating!

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Again I ask...what do you base this on? Is there a link to ratings or a Feder article which mentions his dominance? As noted previously, I was regular listener but I don't recall anyone at The Score boasting about anything other than their continued existence despite dire predictions.

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Wouldn't surprise me either. The joke in radio circles had always been that WGN finished first in the books because people just figured they must listen to WGN. Then, it turned out this is actually what happened.

Here's the other way PPMs can fuck you, which I got to be part of. When Chicago switched to PPMs, WXLC up in Waukegan experienced a meteoric boost in ratings because so many businesses in northern Lake County would have the station on as background noise (when you're in those thick cinderblock walls, sometimes the station down the street is all you can get), so suddenly all these talismans started reporting major listening to WXLC. Spot rates quadrupled. Mom-and-pop small businesses with small budgets, the kind of establishments that would be likely to put the local station on, were priced out in favor of national media buyers. As the economy got worse and the sample size normalized, these media buyers decided maybe a Waukegan station wasn't a good place to spend a lot of money, and so reps found themselves going back tail-tucked to the local businesses they had recently thought themselves too big for -- those that weren't casualties of the recession, of course. XLC took its lumps but mostly came out all right. What didn't was their AM counterpart, WKRS, which was doing local talk and syndicated conservative talk and was basically subsidized by their FM buildingmate as kind of a good-community-partner loss leader. They had to flip to ESPN Deportes to cut costs. Arriba.

tl;dr: You got greedy, Martin.

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Any true day-1 listener would recall that North went from being oddity (hot dog guy) to novelty (hot dog guy with steam) to FOTS. The locals wanted to get his opinion and nationally he was a the WSCR blip on the radar. At one point, particularly during the Jordan/Bulls rockstar tour, it was North that nationally everyone wanted to talk to. Later, when XRT/SCR was sold to Group W, it was North that was top of the list for the "Chicago POV".

If North had a peek at his future he would never have left Jiggetts, as witnessed by partnering with him in 3 future endeavors (Webio, Comcast, WBBM), and that would have meant McNeil still being with Boers, and Beerstain doing either weekends or partnering up with somebody doing mornings (at best).

Don't confuse the old ratings diaries as a reliable indicator of true listenership because our familly got one and I commandeered the books to give SCR their .3 boost in they ratings they experienced. Just as I have no family (since Murph was booted) and few friends who admittedly listen to WSCR.

Then again, they all (most) want to know my opinion on sports. Long time, old school listeners excepted.

But hey, \\\\

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I'll see what I can find but I'll be honest that I'm not going to research it heavily. Off the top of my head, North was making as much or more than even the top rated talkers in the city at his peak (1.5-1.75 million). That includes legends like Dahl, Brandmeier and Matthews. I imagine his ratings had to justify the contract.

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