It is currently Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:16 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 22 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:52 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:25 pm
Posts: 27055
reduce income inequality DRAMATICALLY. people aren't doing these things because there isn't enough security. theyre doing it because they hate. they hate their life, they hate how your life effects theirs. its a mental disease. start raising kids in a society free from economic slavery and the killings will stop. poverty is the main cause of crime.

_________________
the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82060
That would cover some of it...but, like the Joker, there are some people who just want to watch the world burn

Anyway, if everyone has 1 million dollars and I have 2, there will still be a large percentage of the population who hates me for it

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:43 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:09 pm
Posts: 480
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
IkeSouth wrote:
reduce income inequality DRAMATICALLY. people aren't doing these things because there isn't enough security. theyre doing it because they hate. they hate their life, they hate how your life effects theirs. its a mental disease. start raising kids in a society free from economic slavery and the killings will stop. poverty is the main cause of crime.

While economics of course plays an issue in crime/violence, this is an incredibly simplistic way of looking at things. Adam Lanza grew up in wealthy Newtown, CT. Did that stop him from executing 20 children? He was "freed from economic slavery", as many other psychopaths have been, and the killing didn't stop. Mental instability knows no economic status.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 65731
Location: Darkside Estates
pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree.
Wasn't Bin Laden one of the richest people in the Middle East?

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014
bigfan wrote:
Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:25 pm
Posts: 27055
that kid was clearly mentally disabled. pretty hard to use that as an example.

bin laden hated how America was so wealthy and his people so poor. pretty hard to use that as an example when it supports my statement.

_________________
the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
The bigger the economic difference between the have's and have not's the more crime there will be.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:42 pm
Posts: 29260
Location: Parts Unknown
pizza_Place: Frozen
Darkside wrote:
Wasn't Bin Laden one of the richest people in the Middle East?


Family was, for sure.

Not certain about him later in life...

_________________
This is my signature...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:21 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:28 am
Posts: 11792
Location: Winnetka, Illinois
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
The real problem is America has made countries like Iran, and Iraq dangerous by making them rich. They turn the money they get from their oil, into weapons and become threats. Had America developed alternative energy long ago (and we could have) we wouldn't have these problems. But we had greedy politicians that took money from the petrolium industry, allowed the auto makers and oil companies to continue business as usual. We should all (or most anyway) be driving solar or electric cars and telling the oil producing countries to keep their oil...we don't need it. Then the money stops as does the production/purchase of weapons. But the auto industry doesn't want us driving electric cars. They require far less maintainance. They don't just want to sell us cars, they make a great deal of their money in maintaining cars and the parts needed for their maintainance. The oil industry surely doesn't want us driving electric or solar powered cars. So they lobby congressmen and senators and do whatever possible to keep things status quo. That has proven to be a very profitable strategy for the petrolium industry. But now so good for national security.

_________________
Go Cubs!!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
The real problem is America has made countries like Iran, and Iraq dangerous by making them rich. They turn the money they get from their oil, into weapons and become threats. Had America developed alternative energy long ago (and we could have) we wouldn't have these problems. But we had greedy politicians that took money from the petrolium industry, allowed the auto makers and oil companies to continue business as usual. We should all (or most anyway) be driving solar or electric cars and telling the oil producing countries to keep their oil...we don't need it. Then the money stops as does the production/purchase of weapons. But the auto industry doesn't want us driving electric cars. They require far less maintainance. They don't just want to sell us cars, they make a great deal of their money in maintaining cars and the parts needed for their maintainance. The oil industry surely doesn't want us driving electric or solar powered cars. So they lobby congressmen and senators and do whatever possible to keep things status quo. That has proven to be a very profitable strategy for the petrolium industry. But now so good for national security.

Interesting well thought out post.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:38 pm
Posts: 39560
Location: Barfagloggle, Indiana
pizza_Place: Pizza Hut
uofiguy wrote:
Mental instability knows no economic status.

You got that right...

_________________
Kid Cairo's Boers & Bernstein YouTube Channel

Kid Cairo: 2013 March Madness Tournament Winner!

"Cowabunga? Cowa fucking piece of dog shit! This game is diarrhea coming out of my dick!"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 pm
Posts: 16078
pizza_Place: Malnati's
rogers park bryan wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
The real problem is America has made countries like Iran, and Iraq dangerous by making them rich. They turn the money they get from their oil, into weapons and become threats. Had America developed alternative energy long ago (and we could have) we wouldn't have these problems. But we had greedy politicians that took money from the petrolium industry, allowed the auto makers and oil companies to continue business as usual. We should all (or most anyway) be driving solar or electric cars and telling the oil producing countries to keep their oil...we don't need it. Then the money stops as does the production/purchase of weapons. But the auto industry doesn't want us driving electric cars. They require far less maintainance. They don't just want to sell us cars, they make a great deal of their money in maintaining cars and the parts needed for their maintainance. The oil industry surely doesn't want us driving electric or solar powered cars. So they lobby congressmen and senators and do whatever possible to keep things status quo. That has proven to be a very profitable strategy for the petrolium industry. But now so good for national security.

Interesting well thought out post.


Not really.

America's biggest business partners in terms of governments - Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Egypt (pre-revolution), etc. - are actually its strongest allies in the region. From a state perspective, all are friendly. The threat comes from non-state actors, a point so obvious since 9/11 and earlier that I'm not sure how you missed it.

Edit: The point about the auto industry and energy in/dependence may be valid; I don't know enough to comment but it's interesting to think about.

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY


Last edited by veganfan21 on Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:42 pm
Posts: 29260
Location: Parts Unknown
pizza_Place: Frozen
You just got Veganed™!!!!

_________________
This is my signature...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:38 pm
Posts: 39560
Location: Barfagloggle, Indiana
pizza_Place: Pizza Hut
That stands for "trademark", right?

_________________
Kid Cairo's Boers & Bernstein YouTube Channel

Kid Cairo: 2013 March Madness Tournament Winner!

"Cowabunga? Cowa fucking piece of dog shit! This game is diarrhea coming out of my dick!"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
veganfan21 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
The real problem is America has made countries like Iran, and Iraq dangerous by making them rich. They turn the money they get from their oil, into weapons and become threats. Had America developed alternative energy long ago (and we could have) we wouldn't have these problems. But we had greedy politicians that took money from the petrolium industry, allowed the auto makers and oil companies to continue business as usual. We should all (or most anyway) be driving solar or electric cars and telling the oil producing countries to keep their oil...we don't need it. Then the money stops as does the production/purchase of weapons. But the auto industry doesn't want us driving electric cars. They require far less maintainance. They don't just want to sell us cars, they make a great deal of their money in maintaining cars and the parts needed for their maintainance. The oil industry surely doesn't want us driving electric or solar powered cars. So they lobby congressmen and senators and do whatever possible to keep things status quo. That has proven to be a very profitable strategy for the petrolium industry. But now so good for national security.

Interesting well thought out post.


Not really.

America's biggest business partners in terms of governments - Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Egypt (pre-revolution), etc. - are actually its strongest allies in the region. From a state perspective, all are friendly. The threat comes from non-state actors, a point so obvious since 9/11 and earlier that I'm not sure how you missed it.

Edit: The point about the auto industry and energy in/dependence may be valid; I don't know enough to comment but it's interesting to think about.

That was pretty much the whole post.

And I think you're rebuttal to the first part assumes quite a bit. Its not that threats come only from non state actors. Also, there is the whole harboring terrorists thing. Not everyone considers all those nations to be friendly.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 23697
Location: Boofoo Zoo
pizza_Place: Chuck E Cheese
I figured getting rid of The Candyman was the way to stop them, since it's in this section.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:42 pm
Posts: 29260
Location: Parts Unknown
pizza_Place: Frozen
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
That stands for "trademark", right?


Tall Midget

_________________
This is my signature...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:25 pm
Posts: 27055
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
That stands for "trademark", right?


turd muncher.

_________________
the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:50 pm
Posts: 16078
pizza_Place: Malnati's
rogers park bryan wrote:
That was pretty much the whole post.

And I think you're rebuttal to the first part assumes quite a bit. Its not that threats come only from non state actors. Also, there is the whole harboring terrorists thing. Not everyone considers all those nations to be friendly.


The post did spend a lot of time on the auto industry, but I wanted to tackle its premise--that reliance on oil creates enemy states.

I don't mean to imply that threats only come from non-state actors, but that in the current international arena of states, the US and these particular countries share an uneasy alliance that is mutually and officially recognized by each respective government. It may not be as comfy as alliances with nations like Britain, but it's an alliance nonetheless. In the post-Cold War era, there is no doubting the emergence of non-state actors as a serious threat to US global influence. The entire intelligence community has had to rethink foreign policy after the fall of the last considerable threat from a state - the Soviet Union.

The part about non-state actors essentially supports IkeSouth's simple but revealing point: non-state actors, not uniformly, but across the globe act out, in part, due to the economic divisions creates by state plutocracies, Saudi Arabia being a good example.

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:25 am
Posts: 10462
pizza_Place: Investigating
Edit...wrong thread...


Last edited by beni hanna on Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:42 pm
Posts: 80
pizza_Place: Malnati's
IkeSouth wrote:
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
That stands for "trademark", right?

turd muncher.

I thought that was Princess Pissy's genius offspring :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:16 pm
Posts: 3414
pizza_Place: Gino's East.
IkeSouth wrote:
reduce income inequality DRAMATICALLY. people aren't doing these things because there isn't enough security. theyre doing it because they hate. they hate their life, they hate how your life effects theirs. its a mental disease. start raising kids in a society free from economic slavery and the killings will stop. poverty is the main cause of crime.


Democrat.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:09 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:25 pm
Posts: 27055
NSJ wrote:
ima

Nazi.

_________________
the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 22 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group