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Night games are easier to sell out.


Maybe true. Maybe not. They hadn't had trouble selling out day or night until Theo got here and told everyone to wait until 2015.

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Clark Street doesn't even fully operate on non-gamedays, let alone the off-season.


That's true north of Addison. To the south, it's a different story. That stretch of Clark looks like fucking Bourbon Street every weekend.


Moe's and Barleycorn take a few weekdays off. That's south of Addison.


It isn't like Lincoln Park or River North are booming every weeknight. That stretch of Clark south of Belmont would survive without the Cubs. Maybe Murphy's wouldn't.

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It isn't like Lincoln Park or River North are booming every weeknight. That stretch of Clark south of Belmont would survive without the Cubs. Maybe Murphy's wouldn't.


I agree. That's not what I'm debating. What gd is proposing is an entertainment district at Addison and the Kennedy. How would that survive year round? Or who is utilizing this and avoiding Clark Street, Lincoln Park, River North, and Rosemont?


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The Cubs have no business playing more than half their games at night, anyway. People here seem to like day baseball.

Ridiculous and counterproductive thinking.

Do you want them to win or not?

Winning has to be the ultimate goal. Its not a museum.


And you think day games are stopping them from winning?


Why does no one else play as many day games if its such a great idea?

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Old Man River wrote:
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It isn't like Lincoln Park or River North are booming every weeknight. That stretch of Clark south of Belmont would survive without the Cubs. Maybe Murphy's wouldn't.


I agree. That's not what I'm debating. What gd is proposing is an entertainment district at Addison and the Kennedy. How would that survive year round? Or who is utilizing this and avoiding Clark Street, Lincoln Park, River North, and Rosemont?


It's a different market. There is little in the way of a true district on the north side along the Kennedy or Edens. I see it drawing from neighborhoods all the north to Dempster off the Edens and at least to Nagle on Kennedy. Further, I could envision a park and ride situation witht he blue line stop where couples meet for dinner before going home.

Edison Park draws from miles away in every direction because of the few choices in the area.

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Old Man River wrote:
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It isn't like Lincoln Park or River North are booming every weeknight. That stretch of Clark south of Belmont would survive without the Cubs. Maybe Murphy's wouldn't.


I agree. That's not what I'm debating. What gd is proposing is an entertainment district at Addison and the Kennedy. How would that survive year round? Or who is utilizing this and avoiding Clark Street, Lincoln Park, River North, and Rosemont?


German immigrants who eat at Mirabell.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:

The Cubs have no business playing more than half their games at night, anyway. People here seem to like day baseball.

Ridiculous and counterproductive thinking.

Do you want them to win or not?

Winning has to be the ultimate goal. Its not a museum.


And you think day games are stopping them from winning?

It certainly is not helping.

I take issue with the part where Cub fans like day baseball, so just keep losing during the day


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And you think day games are stopping them from winning?


Why does no one else play as many day games if its such a great idea?


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I agree. That's not what I'm debating. What gd is proposing is an entertainment district at Addison and the Kennedy. How would that survive year round? Or who is utilizing this and avoiding Clark Street, Lincoln Park, River North, and Rosemont?


German immigrants who eat at Mirabell.


Exactly.


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The fact that Tommy Boy accepted a deal allowing only 40 night games (plus flex games) is ridiculous. This entire stadium issue has been so badly mishandled that it wouldn't surprise me if some of the top magt personnel begin to bail. The rumors of magt not getting the money they need to build the organization is a precursor to what lies ahead. They better damn well land one helluva TV deal but they lack leverage there too.

Theo et al wanted Cespedes as well as Puig and Darvish but obviously Tommy didn't pony up the cash to get any of them. Now he acquiesces to the city and the neighborhood and gets a deal that is less than great - and he will still have to kiss ass to all these stupid "development commissions", etc. just to get the deal finalized.

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It would actually be a great time to get out if you were an owner. You have lowered payroll. Entitlements will be in place in a short time. I guess the one last piece is to get the TV contract in order to have an attractive product to sell.

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including an electronic video screen that is nearly three times as large as the hand-operated scoreboard currently atop the center-field bleachers of the 99-year-old ballpark.

That is one big video screen.


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Just for wait for some Alderman from a ward that has nothing to do with this, hold it up asking for new streets? Better police,? or something like this.

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I'm wondering why the neighbors allowed the hotel to be included in these negotiations. A project of that size at that location really requires its own review. The other items could all be handled comprehensively.

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http://www.suntimes.com/19676183-418/co ... signs.html

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Community leader demands Cubs to scale back plan for more night games, signs
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City Hall Reporter/fspielman@suntimes.com April 23, 2013 5:06PM

Updated: April 23, 2013 5:31PM

A Wrigleyville community leader demanded Tuesday that the Cubs scale back their request for more night games and signage at a renovated Wrigley Field, nix plans to enlarge the stadium’s footprint and reduce the height of a hotel they plan to build across the street.

Jill Peters, President of the Southport Neighbors Association, demanded sweeping changes as the Cubs prepared to show their hand on one of the most controversial elements of the team’s $500 million plan to renovate 99-year-old Wrigley and the land around it: stadium signage.

Early next week, the Cubs plan to release long-awaited renderings of: a 6,000-square-foot video scoreboard in left-field; a 1,000-square-foot see-through sign in right-field; new signs on the right-field wall and behind home plate; an LED “ribbon board” along the upper deck grandstand, and 35,000 square feet of advertising on a 91-foot-tall hotel and open-air plaza.

Only then, will rooftop club owners who share 17 percent of their revenues with the team know the impact on their birdseye views of the stadium. That’s even after the right- and left-field walls are extended outward by ten feet to minimize blockage.

And only then will Wrigleyville residents know how much the influx of new advertising will impact the character of their neighborhood.

“They want an office building, a hotel and lots of signage, but the detail is not there yet,” local Ald. Tom Tunney (44th) said Tuesday.

“We’re going to try to keep the hotel as low as possible and still give them the ability to have a hotel. But, we can’t get into the crux of it without seeing the architect’s plans.”

The Cubs are encountering strenuous opposition, even before showing all their cards.

After a Monday night meeting between the Cubs and Southport Neighbors, Peters is demanding no more than 37 “night events”-per-season, including concerts, 3:05 p.m. game starts and regular night games.

The “framework” hammered out by Cubs Chairman Tom Ricketts and Mayor Rahm Emanuel includes 40 night-games — up from the current, 30 game ceiling — with the possibility of up to 11 more when required by Major League Baseball’s national television contract. In addition, the Cubs would be permitted to stage four concerts per season and six, 3:05 p.m. starts on Friday afternoons.

“Night games create excessive drinking, damage to property, crowd issues and other crimes. We’ve had robberies, shootings and home invasions. We want them to keep the promise they made and hold to what the Lakeview Citizens Council recommended: No more than 37 night events with everything included,” Peters said, demanding 50 more post-game security personnel outside the ballpark, up from the Cubs’ plan for 30.

Peters also declared her opposition to taking out a lane of parking on Waveland and a sidewalk on Sheffield to enlarge the stadium’s footprint, with no compensation to Chicago taxpayers.

She noted that the Cubs plan to continue unloading buses on Waveland and hold street fairs on Sheffield during summer weekend home games.

“That will snarl the neighborhood. You’ll have nowhere to go in that narrow radius around the ballpark,” she said.

As for the hotel, Peters said renderings unveiled Monday night show a “tiara-style crown” on the Addison side that would raise the height of the hotel from 91 feet to 117 feet.

“It’s massive. The size is not compatible with a residential neighborhood. The hotel will literally be abutting homes and it’s completely out of scale. It needs to be scaled back,” Peters said.“They’ve asked for the stars. We want to bring them down to earth and come out with a result we can all live with.”

Ricketts has said he’s operating under the “the assumption that there will be lots of community meetings, lots of discussion and we will end up with this plan.”

Cubs spokesman Julian Green reiterated that view in response to Peters’ demands.

“The plan we’ve presented to the public is the plan needed to bring the resources to this team to accomplish our goal of wining a world championship,” he said.

“Getting input will certainly guide some of our designs. But, there are certain things we need to have: a 91-ft. hotel; the ability to generate revenue from corporate signage and trying as hard as we can to minimize impact on rooftops views. Our proposal seeks 40 night games, which we believe is striking a balance with the community. The Major League average is 54.”

As for 3:05 p.m. starts, Green said the Cubs had them before and need them again to attract fans who like working half-days during the summer.

“It would significantly increase our sales on those Friday games,” he said, noting that the Cubs’ plan addresses traffic, parking and public safety concerns.

Ryan McLaughlin, a spokesman for the rooftop owners, said in an emailed statement they’ve been waiting since January to get some details on the Cubs plan for “signage” at the ballfield. “It’s our belief that the Cubs’ proposal will differ significantly from the existing offer made by the [r]ooftop owners,” McLaughlin said.

Rooftop owners are proposing what they say will be a “multi-million dollar revenue stream for the Cubs generated by digital signage and a Jumbotron mounted on the [r]ooftops,” McLaughlin said in the statement.


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I'm only in favor of the street fests if they have blues music and cheeseburgers. We are loyal.

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Expect this scenario anytime changes are proposed. I guess it's easier to stay and try to deal with the crazies.


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Tom Tunney is just getting antsy because this proposed jumbotron is so fucking big that it'll have to get its own alderman.

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Why are they afraid to show the Jumbotron?

http://espn.go.com/chicago/photos/galle ... enovations

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Why are they afraid to show the Jumbotron?


Because this

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doesn't reflect the message of everything being A-okay and Wrigley-purdy and landmark-commission-approved. Also, if you think it's just going to say "Welcome to Wrigley Field Home of the Chicago Cubs" over left field and not CashForGold.com or Townstone Financial or Discount Dildo Depot, you're kidding yourself.

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What kind of discounts on these dildos are we talking about here really?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Why are they afraid to show the Jumbotron?

http://espn.go.com/chicago/photos/galle ... enovations

The first picture looks like they forgot to put a black person in so he ust threw a picture DMX on the front of it


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What kind of discounts on these dildos are we talking about here really?

You'd be surprised. Why anyone still buys retail is anyone's guess.

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That error is brought to you by David Hochberg and Townstone financial
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Townstone Financial and Discount Dildo Depot might as well be the same place when you think about it :shock:

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That error is brought to you by David Hochberg and Townstone financial
"Dont make an error on your refi, BONEHEAD!"


I just thought about a running ticker of Hochberg copy at the bottom of the new screen. Glorious.

"Honey, we don't want to get Caller Bob punted like that stupid retiree Jane, who easily could have knocked her rate down, while retiring without talking to the so-called bank expert. I'm calling from the newly revamped amenities downstairs. Do you want bison on a stick and an Old Style?"

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oh man "Caller Bob punt" and Hochberg coming together is just a meme symphony

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“The plan we’ve presented to the public is the plan needed to bring the resources to this team to accomplish our goal of wining a world championship,” he said. .


but wait, I thought you would win a world championship through building up of the minor league system, which should result in the need for less "resources" (and yes, I went to the university of chicago school of social work with Les Resources)

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