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I was never one of these meatball fans pounding my fist on the table about the McCaskeys.

But I'm convinced. They either won't or don't know how to hire the correct people to run an NFL Franchise.

Sweaty Teddy is given free rein as long as the profits are good. That can be the only possible explanation.

We can look forward to a new coach/GM 3 or 4 years from now.

Time for someone else to take the reigns.


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Peoria Matt wrote:
I was never one of these meatball fans pounding my fist on the table about the McCaskeys.

But I'm convinced. They either won't or don't know how to hire the correct people to run an NFL Franchise.

Sweaty Teddy is given free rein as long as the profits are good. That can be the only possible explanation.

We can look forward to a new coach/GM 3 or 4 years from now.

Time for someone else to take the reigns.


I had questions about the management structure as well. Seemed a bit odd to have your business guy in charge of hiring your key football guy. Do they need to create a position similar to the one Pat Riley has for the Miami Heat? A VP of football operations who supervises a GM and all that good stuff. Thoughts?

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I can't imagine any other team in the league would have a Ted Phillips-type making critical football executive hiring decisions.

Frustrating.

The McCaskeys may mean well but they don't have a clue.


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I had questions about the management structure as well. Seemed a bit odd to have your business guy in charge of hiring your key football guy. Do they need to create a position similar to the one Pat Riley has for the Miami Heat? A VP of football operations who supervises a GM and all that good stuff. Thoughts?


But who hires the hirer? Turtles all the way down!

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But who hires the hirer? Turtles all the way down!


:D

I thought that question may come up. An independent agency, perhaps?

At the same time, are we being too quick to judge Emery and/or ownership? They Bears enjoyed a decent run of success under Lovie: two championship games, one Superbowl appearance, and fairly consistent play on one side of the ball. They made the right call on Angelo and we'll see what Emery can do. Not a great decade, but a decent one, no?

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But who hires the hirer? Turtles all the way down!


:D

I thought that question may come up. An independent agency, perhaps?

At the same time, are we being too quick to judge Emery and/or ownership? They Bears enjoyed a decent run of success under Lovie: two championship games, one Superbowl appearance, and fairly consistent play on one side of the ball. They made the right call on Angelo and we'll see what Emery can do. Not a great decade, but a decent one, no?

If there's anything I've learned, it is that absolutely no one deserves credit for those teams. Lovie was a bad coach, Angelo was a bad GM, the players were overrated. Funny how that happens but OK.

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A search firm found Angelo.


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A search firm found Angelo.

Which was a decision made by Phillips, which everyone ripped him for. I assume if Phillips personally hired Emery, then he's getting shit for that, too. No-win situation.

In retrospect, they really should have let Lovie have one last year.

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I still wish we had tanked the hell out of this coming season.

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I still wish we had tanked the hell out of this coming season.


Maybe with the draft picks they will.

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I still wish we had tanked the hell out of this coming season.


Maybe with the draft picks they will.

I think the team is talented enough to muddle through.

Something could have been received in return for Cutler this season. I'd have started the reload, prepared for 1-15, shielded my new head coach from the fallout. and drafted a QB with my first pick next year.

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If there's anything I've learned, it is that absolutely no one deserves credit for those teams. Lovie was a bad coach, Angelo was a bad GM, the players were overrated. Funny how that happens but OK.


My bad, I meant ownership made the right call to fire Angelo, in case I was misunderstood. The hire was good for some time, and then he started whiffing on his picks more often than not.

I'm going to disagree with you on Lovie. I think he's a solid coach and should be strongly considered for future openings, provided he can demonstrate that he will take both sides of the ball seriously instead of just one. His major downfall was failing to find the right coaches to install a proper offensive scheme. It was just philosophical chaos and he never got it right. I think he's good because his system worked, and so did his locker room leadership.

I think Angelo is more of a mixed bag. Aside from Urlacher, he drafted the entire core of the mid-2000s defenses. He also found Forte in the second round and ended the Bears' bad QB curse. We all know his many faults, and that's what eventually got him fired. I just thought it would be fair to remember the complete picture.

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Peoria Matt wrote:
I was never one of these meatball fans pounding my fist on the table about the McCaskeys.

But I'm convinced. They either won't or don't know how to hire the correct people to run an NFL Franchise.

Sweaty Teddy is given free rein as long as the profits are good. That can be the only possible explanation.

We can look forward to a new coach/GM 3 or 4 years from now.

Time for someone else to take the reigns.

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Irish Boy wrote:
If there's anything I've learned, it is that absolutely no one deserves credit for those teams. Lovie was a bad coach, Angelo was a bad GM, the players were overrated. Funny how that happens but OK.


My bad, I meant ownership made the right call to fire Angelo, in case I was misunderstood. The hire was good for some time, and then he started whiffing on his picks more often than not.

I'm going to disagree with you on Lovie. I think he's a solid coach and should be strongly considered for future openings, provided he can demonstrate that he will take both sides of the ball seriously instead of just one. His major downfall was failing to find the right coaches to install a proper offensive scheme. It was just philosophical chaos and he never got it right. I think he's good because his system worked, and so did his locker room leadership.

I think Angelo is more of a mixed bag. Aside from Urlacher, he drafted the entire core of the mid-2000s defenses. He also found Forte in the second round and ended the Bears' bad QB curse. We all know his many faults, and that's what eventually got him fired. I just thought it would be fair to remember the complete picture.

I was being sarcastic. I agree with you that history will take a kinder view of Lovie and Angelo than currently believed.

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and drafted a QB with my first pick next year.

Bridgewater?

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A search firm found Angelo.

Which was a decision made by Phillips, which everyone ripped him for. I assume if Phillips personally hired Emery, then he's getting shit for that, too. No-win situation.

In retrospect, they really should have let Lovie have one last year.


Right. It's a no-win situation because more than likely he hired the wrong guy. The problem is Ted should not be making these decisions. Which brings it back to my original posting.

And you are absolutely right, IB. Cutler should have been put on the market to see what he would bring.


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and drafted a QB with my first pick next year.

Bridgewater?

Maybe but there are a few options if we don't such hard enough and end up with the fourth pick or something. The QB draft is loaded next year. I hope they all make it to 15.

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I was being sarcastic.


:oops: I am an idiot for not seeing that...my fault.

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Peoria Matt wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
A search firm found Angelo.

Which was a decision made by Phillips, which everyone ripped him for. I assume if Phillips personally hired Emery, then he's getting shit for that, too. No-win situation.

In retrospect, they really should have let Lovie have one last year.


Right. It's a no-win situation because more than likely he hired the wrong guy. The problem is Ted should not be making these decisions. Which brings it back to my original posting.

And you are absolutely right, IB. Cutler should have been put on the market to see what he would bring.

I'm sympathetic to Emery here because there is a substantial portion of this city that will lose their shit if Cutler is let go, whether that be via trade or just not extended.

But he's also put himself in a terrible position this year. If Cutler is even mediocre, he's going to command HUGE money to renew -- way more than he is worth. And if he's awful, well, that's bad too.

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Peoria Matt wrote:

And you are absolutely right, IB. Cutler should have been put on the market to see what he would bring.


I think we're being too quick to judge on Cutler. His statistics haven't been great, but so haven't his WRs and TEs either. If football is characterized by interdependency, then the talent level of his targets mean as much to the team's success as his own performance. Maybe his Bears' record is more than adequate given the trash he's had to rely on as "primary targets": Kellen Davis, Roy Williams, Devin Hester, Dane Sanzenbacher, and so on.

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Peoria Matt wrote:

And you are absolutely right, IB. Cutler should have been put on the market to see what he would bring.


I think we're being too quick to judge on Cutler. His statistics haven't been great, but so haven't his WRs and TEs either. If football is characterized by interdependency, then the talent level of his targets mean as much to the team's success as his own performance. Maybe his Bears' record is more than adequate given the trash he's had to rely on as "primary targets": Kellen Davis, Roy Williams, Devin Hester, Dane Sanzenbacher, and so on.

We've been around and around on Cutler on this board and I just don't have the energy. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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Yeah Cutler is what he is at this point. An average to above-average quarterback.

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Maybe Ricketts can buy the Bears and put Theo in charge.

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We've been around and around on Cutler on this board and I just don't have the energy. We'll have to agree to disagree.


NO FUCKING WAY !!!!! I WANT ARGUMENTS NOW !!!!!


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Yeah Cutler is what he is at this point. An average to above-average quarterback.


I agree that he's at that talent level. I just think he's also good enough to take you all the way. But we'll wait and see this season I guess.

Irish Boy wrote:

We've been around and around on Cutler on this board and I just don't have the energy. We'll have to agree to disagree.


Fair enough. But, hey, if the Bears are more or less healthy this season and Cutler is an issue, I'd be happy to acknowledge that I was dead wrong about him. I just hope I'm right. Out of the Bears' many personnel issues, I really don't think he's one. But we'll see.

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:lol: :cry:


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Cutler can be great when everything around him is perfect


There's another guy who used to fit that description

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THE BEARS GOT JAY DAMN CUTLER!

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:lol: :lol: on the 2 previous posts.

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THE BEARS GOT JAY DAMN CUTLER!

If the Bears somehow acquired Ray Lewis in his prime Bernstein would have been shooting people in the street

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