Sometimes, people actually post something good on there

The amount of judging others on facebook is getting kind of ridiculous and I am taking a step back. I'm especially talking about those that are judging people that receive assistance. I meet people every single day, that are going through more than a person who "thumbs up" an ignorant post about receiving help. Those that judge have probably never been in their shoes, and probably never had a baby crying in their face. Not everyone abuses the system and at one point I was a person needing help, and I just met a family needing help. Moral of the story is quit assuming that welfare recipients are living the high life and maybe start donating to Together We Cope, or St. Stephens food pantry in Midlothian if you are so concerned. I'm done ranting



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In general, I don't think people assume "everyone" abuses it. But the stuff on FB I see is typically targeted on those who do abuse it. Which doesn't seem to be a small portion.

If you are saying a majority abuse it, Ill disagree.


Also, almost everyone who bitches has received some sort of gov't assistance in their lives.

I don't know if it's a majority, but I'm guessing it's a lot.


As for the second part, no one is saying it's a bad thing to take government assistance. I got unemployment recently while I was between jobs. I pay into it, so IMO, I earned it. That's why we have it... that's what it's for.

The target of the negative feelings are those who don't pay in to it, use it, and don't seem to be trying to get off of it.

Yeah, its arrogance mixed with ignorance that leads to those feelings, but I dont want to argue it. You obviously have your opinion that you formed...somehow and i have mine and we probably arent changing each other's minds


This thread is just for positive things you see on there

And herein lies part of the issue, and what equates to the losing battle of the poor. This is an assumption on your part. How would you personally know who is or isn't trying to get off assistance? How would that manifest itself visually to anyone really? That's why it's best not to assume things like that.

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Never been afraid to change my mind. If it were proven that the vast majority of people on government aide deserved it and used it properly, I would change my mind.

And that said, I do contribute to a few different charities focused on helping people. So it's not just "arrogance" and "ignorance."

I'm certainly leaving the door open to the possibility that my perception is incorrect. My perception is based on what I've seen personally, and the things I read about the topic.

Because the girl in front of him at Jewel had an Iphone and then used a link card.

Nevermind that it was a gift from a relative who wanted to make sure she had a working phone.

At least her relative has good taste in phones.


But no, that's not it. I don't take a single instance of something like that, and project that on to the entire population using aid.

Has the opposite been "proven"?

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You contributing to charity does not preclude arrogance and ignorance.

The arrogance and ignorance line was more about all the people who bitch and post about it, not specifically you.

The Arrogance is in believing in the self made man myth. (We are all products of our environments. Some of us grew up in nice houses in the suburbs and some grew up in shelters)

The ignorance is thinking that most or even a majority of people abuse it.

I believe I said I didn't know if it was a majority. I still think it's an issue, though.

My fault, because that was asked of you

I was speaking of the general again

Then it doesnt apply to you.

But you said you would "change your mind" if it's proven that the majority don;t abuse it. By your wn admission, you have no idea one way or another. You just know that some do it. Making up your mind about something based on some people taking advantage of it seems pretty weak.

That would be like being anti-phone because some people use them for drug deals...

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I have my perception based on what I have seen, read, etc. It's not a fact, I get that.


My point is, IMO, there are a lot of people who abuse government aid and it's an issue that should be dealt with. I don't know if it's a majority. I suspect it's a lot. I suspect it's enough to warrant changing the way it's dealt with.

Are you similarly concerned with corporate welfare and how its abused?

Because that is a much bigger problem with much more money and ramifications for everyone

Yep.

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I really don't know a lot about it. Specific to tax breaks corporations get, I'm more and more intrigued by flat taxes that eliminate all of the breaks, the more I learn about it.

So, this isn't the thread where I talk about having a glass of wine after a tough day?

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Yes, its supposed to be a temporary fix not a permanent lifestyle.


But many times it is beyond the person's control

Saw a cable news segment recently. Sorry I cannot recall where but here is the jist.

Lady with 2 kids gets dumped by bad husband and divorces. No job no home etc. So she gets all lined up for what she needs to get back on her feet. Welfare, stamps, housing etc. After a while they also are paying for her to go to school for nursing assistant or something. She is ready to get off after a couple years. Seems to me this is how something should work.

The more interesting part of the story though was the particulars of what you get. She and/or the news people sat down and added up all her benefits and healthcare etc. They calculated she had received the equivalent of an 80k per year job.

The lady said she was so glad for the opportunity and to be free and moving along. But she and anyone can see why the hell lazy people won't get off the roll without a little nudge I think.

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The United States per annum spends approx $500 billion on Welfare at all levels of government--that's total for all programs, inculding UI and Workers Comp (which really aren't welfare)--excludes SSI and Pensions), at all 3 levels government (State/Local/Fed)

Let's say 10% of that is paid out fraudently, $500 million.

Goldman Sachs gets a $13 billion payday out of the bank bailout a few years ago. That same year they paid their CEO Lloyd Blankfein $100 million bonus.

Halliburton's PROFITS on the Iraq war from government contracts? $40 billion.

And y'all are getting your panties in a bunch over maybe $500 million spread out over millions of welfare recipeints--who are spending it on food/shelter/clothing. We should be stringing up Wall Street CEO's who privatize the profits and stick the taxpayers with the bill for their deals gone bad:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog

but ain't nobody got time for that....

Can't someone be pissed off about both?

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Sure, just as a person with late stage lung cancer (banks and corporations raping the US taxpayer) can be upset about a pimple on their ass (welfare cheats).

They did a study of welfare cheats and found that many of them actually legally qualified for more welfare than what they were getting illegally--they were simply not doing the correct paperwork or pursuing all the benefits available to them.