What part of this statement do you have an issue with Bagels?

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I spent last Friday in one of the gayest towns in America. Does that count?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You were back in West Lafayette?

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No, I wasn't in the progressive state of Indiana.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

How did North know his dad preferred his boys uncut?

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What is the end game of the entire discussion and or movement? The only thing I can think of is discrimination and marriage. Marriage I guess brings a level of acceptance as well as tax advantages survivor rights and so on.

Isn't discrimination easy to solve no matter who is against this for religion or whatever reason? If it doesn't not say so already can't they just add gay to the list of existing laws? Example: It is unlawful to have employer practices that discriminate against race, gender....and sexual orientation. Is it not that easy?

My marriage solution is really simple to me and likely will never happen. Get government out of the marriage business altogether which is not likely as it is so entrenched. Or make every "marriage" legally a civil union. There will be no government recognition of such a thing as marriage only a filing or whatever with a judge for a union. Problem solved. If you desire a religious or other ceremony that makes it a traditional thing in your custom go right ahead at your church or your commune or whatever have drinks dance and honeymoon.

The government shouldn't care and I don't either.

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I assumed the focus on homosexuality had to do with its tolerance and/or moral status in a secular republic. I'm not a lawyer, but I assumed we're past discussing gay marriage since there is no legal basis to deny these sorts of unions. I'd be happy to be corrected if I'm wrong about the no legal basis part.

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Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

The reason I posted that was I am not getting the entire other reason to worry about if someone is gay or not.

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I haven't read every single post related to Collins' article and DB's tirade(s), but I think a lot of the reaction here has to do with DB shoving a problematic definition of "bigot" down everyone's throat, especially in regard to attitudes toward homosexuality.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Not agreeing with a lifestyle doesnt mean you hate the people or think they shouldnt have rights. It isnt an all or nothing scenario. Gay people should be allowed to get married but it doesnt mean that suddenly the whole country has to agree with homosexuality.

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Some would argue, its not a "lifestyle" it's just who they are.

I think we have argued this before

Either way, it's no business of mine whom they want to engage in coitus with.

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Right, and that's Bernstein's argument. But as others have pointed out, the idea that people are "born" this way or that way is not as conclusive as Bernstein would like us to believe. Folks who identify as gay should obviously be accorded the same respect and decency that everyone else deserves, but to contest the idea that homosexuals are biologically predisposed to certain sexual behaviors is a legitimate inquiry, seeing how no scientific or otherwise consensus exists on the issue in question. Plus there is the whole question on the inherent subjectivity of "sexuality" itself. I think the existence of prison rapists and gay porn actors raises questions on the whole "nature" angle that Bernstein takes, since those who commit rape in prison or who perform sex acts on tape are not always "gay" themselves. Along with bisexuals, if these types of folks can go both ways on a whim, why can't homosexuality also be seen as a subjective sexual preference, just like, for example, a heterosexual prefers sex with the opposite gender?

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

The Old Testament Law was given to show people that they are sinful and in need of Jesus.

Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Christians are not under the Jewish Law. They are justified by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus. That is why Christians do not have to be circumcised or abstain from eating certain types of food or even observe the Sabbath on Saturday.

Sex outside of marriage is idolatry according to the Bible. In fact for the Israelites much of their worship of foreign gods involved sex with male and female temple prostitutes. Some of these false religions also practiced child sacrifice.

Galatians 5:16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Being justified by faith and not observing the Jewish Law does not mean that everything that the Law forbid is now okay. It means living a life according to the Spirit and not according to the flesh. It means instead of stoning the gay man or adulterous man or woman, God's grace is extended to them if they are willing to repent.

A lot of people say, "Well just have to love gay people" and their definition of love is just accepting all these positions as true. But do you really love someone if you are not honest with them? The Bible calls homosexuality sin and says that people who do that will not be in heaven if they don't repent. It says the same thing for everyone who is sexually immoral (i.e. going to strip clubs, hiring hookers, cheating on your wife, looking at porn, etc.).

I think what needs to be said is that people like Boers and Bernstein paint with a large broad brush. Certainly there are people who hate homosexuals and wish they would all just die or disappear. But those people don't speak for all Christians in the same way that all terrorists don't speak for all Muslims.

For Catholics and other Christians, really the hope is that they would be set free from the bondage of sexual sin just like everyone who is bondage to other sins. But because a pastor or any other Christian dares to say that behavior is against his religion his character must be assassinated. The fact is that people like Boers and Bernstein think its their job to mock, call names or demean people who disagree with their position. Long gone is the concept of respectfully disagreeing.

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I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. (small chuckles from the guests) She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, and always clears the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff, LeoO McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath, Exodus 35:2, clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important, 'cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes us unclean, Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?

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If that's original, Peeps, that's awesome.

Shit that copypasta goes back to when Dr. Laura was popular. Still good though.

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I'm not as creative as Drop In or Dr. Ken.

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I've read a study that suggested that there really is no such thing as a "bi-sexual". Of course anyone can have sex with people of both genders but he/she will always have a preference.

I touched on this before, but larger American society, i.e. straights, sees monogamy as a virtue- at least in theory. Marriage is designed to promote monogamy. I don't believe that monogamy is seen as a value among homosexuals. So on some level the push for gay marriage (which I completely support; let everyone be subject to the IMDMA ) smacks of a child demanding something simply because his big brother has it, in spite of the fact he has no real interest in it at all.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Jorr along your line of thinking there I have often wondered to myself as the gay marriage thing has gone on... Gays you want to be married? Why?

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What are you basing that on?

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Kid Cairo's Boers & Bernstein YouTube Channel

Kid Cairo: 2013 March Madness Tournament Winner!

"Cowabunga? Cowa fucking piece of dog shit! This game is diarrhea coming out of my dick!"

Perhaps the fact that most cultures have discouraged their monogamy has something to do with it.

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Is that really a fact though?

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Kid Cairo's Boers & Bernstein YouTube Channel

Kid Cairo: 2013 March Madness Tournament Winner!

"Cowabunga? Cowa fucking piece of dog shit! This game is diarrhea coming out of my dick!"

Anecdotally, it sounds like there's more stepping out among gay male couples than lesbian couples, but I don't have anything empirical, so that's worthless.

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Every homosexual that I've ever met.



Granted.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I think a lot of lesbians "step out" as well. Not that heterosexuals don't, of course. It's just that the mores within these micro-societies are markedly different.

Let me give you an example. A close friend of mine who I grew up with, she's almost like a sister to me, came out as a lesbian when she was in her thirties. She was in love with a woman and had a long-term relationship with her. The woman cheated on her with another woman within their group of friends. My friend was devastated. But none of her close friends told her it was happening even though they all knew. And even the friends that were closer to her didn't end their relationships with the woman who cheated. They thought my friend should "get over it". Like it was no big deal.

I guarantee if my girlfriend is cheating and my friends know about it, they're going to tell me. And they're going to hate that bitch, not stay friends with her. It's just a different set of values. I'm not judging it either. Just pointing it out. As Curious Hair points out perhaps the fact that monogamy among them has been discouraged is responsible. Maybe the right to marry will change their culture. But I suspect the divorce rate among gays will be significantly higher than it is for straights.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The whole gay marriage support system is an evil plan cooked up by the divorce bar to increase business.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

In cahoots with the Wedding planning industry

No wonder it is so important to Dan!

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