IF he isn't 100% (physically healthy) then obviously some kind of re-injury
I guess my only argument is that if he's 85% healthy, I have no issue with him sitting and coming back 100% next year since this year is a wash anyways
If he is in fact 100% healthy and its just a mental things, then yes obviously he should be out there

I guess this gets to the crux of the matter. Unless there is a subsequent injury, he is physically healthy. It really isn't even within the boundaries of probability anymore that he isn't fully healed.

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Nobody else is 100% (maybe VladRad is), why should Rose be special. I think Rose would be okay with playing this series. He knows he'd look like a hero if he came back, but he also knows he'd get his shit pushed in in the next series so he chickens out.

Wherever in the world has it ever been acceptable (from a good teammate's perspective) NOT to play if you're ONLY 85-90 percent? If it's a close playoff series with my teammates showing amazing levels of heart, I'd feel empty sitting and waiting on the mythical 110%.

I never thought I'd question this kid's heart. His head, yes occasionally, but not his desire to play and/or support his teammates. I'm moving shockingly close to joining the "Trade Derrick" camp.

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well i don't want to play Panthro here with the 'not believing anything' angle, but the whole situation has been handled shady so i'm not sure what to believe
i have to go with the fact that he's been medically cleared, so he should be playing

That's what the next pre-season will be for. He will get back into the swing of things and ready for the season.

It's clear that he decided that this season and post season were never even under concideration. Which I'm fine with. It's a terrible injury that costs most people a full season. But the only error he made, in my mind, was not being forthcoming about it. Giving the illusion that there was some possibility of playing. He shouldn't hae done that. Not DB worthy, imo. Just a misstep...

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The whole "percentage healthy" thing makes no sense to me. I find it to be a lazy excuse athletes use to say they don't want to play or they're too scared of re-injury. My whole opinion rests on the timing of Rose's pending return. At this point, I'd say it's smarter to have him sit until next season.

I admit I'm a pessimist in this discussion.

I agree with 84% of this post...

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If he's not 100% healthy now then he never will be.

It's just mental now, and those mental issues will be there all offseason which limits how he can work.

That was what was so amazing about Adrian Peterson. He seemed to have no mental issues in regards to his surgery. He ran from day one like it never happened. Most people aren't so lucky. Given that Rose isn't playing because he doesn't feel ready, it's a huge concern.

It's the cliched "Get back on the horse" issue for him now.

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I agree with all of that and I"m ok with it
Like DB has mentioned before, i'm sure it was more the Bulls as an organization than him dropping comeback hints in order to keep ticket sales going

are you a doctor? how can you make such a proclamation?
the only reason i give a slight benefit of the doubt here is that it's a pretty complicated and serious injury...if it was (example) a strained hamstring and 99.9% of players come back in 2 weeks and he's 2 months, ok. but i'm just not sure arguing that because Shumpert came back already and Rose didn't something is amiss, their injuries are not going to be 100% the same

Is that true?

I know the guy who got hurt the same day as him has been back a while and it has been over a calender year now

That still means that it will effect his workouts all offseason. Also, preseason games aren't played at the same level or intensity. It will slow down his progress next year without question.

So would you be fine if he chose to sit out next season too? I know he won't, but it's the same concept.

He is choosing not to play. It's as simple as that. Doctors didn't rush him back. If anything, they were cautious with him.

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how is that the same concept?
so if you are late on your credit card payment by 15 days or by 6 months its the same thing?

He's not going to be 100% until he plays a game. He's not going to play a game until he's 100%. Does he not see the flaw in his thought process?

Sadly, I'm not so sure he's the only person who can make this decision.

Scottie won titles before and after that.

This will be a far greater stain than 1.8 unless the Bulls-- with Rose for 70+ games and playoffs-- win the title.

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There is a time period where healing occurs after any surgery. For this one, it's not more than a year. It's less than a year with extra time given for safety. They also have tests and he's passed all of them. I'm not a doctor, but neither is Rose.

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the 1.8 was a heat of the moment decision. Derek has had months to think about refusing to play.

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He's still choosing to sit out games when he's considered healthy to play. All we are adding is more games missed. That's why it's the same concept.

It's a fact that Rose is actively choosing not to play. He is making the decision. Doctors aren't. The team isn't. He is.

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how is that a fact? can you point me to the conclusive evidence that this is the case?

I'm honestly surprised at how severe people are making Rose's inactivity seem in the grand scheme of his career.

Hasnt the doctor and team both cleared him?

Yes. There is no question the decision is up to Rose's camp.

i would have to assume that the team wants him out there...not only to win games but to sell tickets
if they have cleared him and he's refusing to play wouldn't this get far nastier? i mean if he's flat out refusing to play when able to couldn't the suspend him, take back game pay, etc. ?

It's been reported that doctors and the team have cleared him. Also, while Rose hasn't said much, his comments make it pretty clear that he doesn't feel he is ready to play. That means it is his decision that he isn't playing.

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That's not really a meatball thought. At this point, it's probably fair to say those still defending Rose are the meatballs. There's not one logical reason to defend what he's doing. He deserves every criticism leveled towards him over this.

I also agree that people won't easily forgive and forget when he comes back and dunks. BRick is right, he is refusing to enter games when he is healthy enough to play. That's basically a cardinal sin in every sport.

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Absolutely. Especially when his teammates are currently playing through injuries and sickness.


Jay Cutler was essentially slaughtered in the media and on sportsradio for doing something far less egregious in the NFC title game a couple years back.

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let me clarify , i want him out there and if he's healthy he should be

but i also don't think this is so heinous of an offense as others do, and i still think there could be something going on that we're not aware of since the whole situation has been shrouded in mystery and lies