The best thing that can happen to this team is Joe Ricketts taking over.

Or the Ricketts selling

Looks like I changed the sentiment of Cubbie Nation on this board. Only a few holdouts still exist.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You did nothing with your non sensical Theo hate/trolling.

You've been trying to call a Great GM who won 2 WS in 4 years bad since he got here and you have made zero progress.

Almost no one has been a fan of Ricketts from the beginning.

But Bryan, you or I could lose 100 games for a couple years in a row. There doesn't seem to be a very high standard in calling him "great" right now. When does he actually start to be judged on what his team is doing? Next year? 2015? 2020?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I don't remember ever calling Theo Epstein bad. When did I do that?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Since he was hired, you have attempted to discredit all the success he had in Boston.

Which is hilarious considering your opinion of one time WS winner Kenny Williams.

Im judging him now.

My great comment referred to his time in Boston. It was great. There is no discussion on that.

I have been consistent in my expectation. I was willing to give him two years to figure shit out. Next year, its time to compete.


But as you have been saying, Theo may not have the control he was promised.

Ricketts is not a successful person outside of being in the lucky sperm club

No, I haven't. I've brought up some advantages he had in Boston. I challenge you to find a post where I said he doesn't get any credit for what happened in Boston.
There it is. You saved me a lot of time today by showing your bias here. This isn't about Theo. This is about you and your opinions of the job Kenny Williams did.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Your frequent comments about the Red Sox having a big payroll are designed to discredit Theo.

They were in the context of people saying Theo was good. I dont have to post it, we both know its there.



No, its not at all.

You seem EXTREMELY impressed by one World Series win in 12 years and EXTREMELY unimpressed with two in 10 years, I find that odd.

I guess some bias is involved on your part.

You seem to be backtracking. First, it was that I said he was bad. Then, it was that I was trying to "discredit all the success he had in Boston". Now, it's that mentioning the fact that he had a payroll advantage over almost every other team was designed to discredit him. At least you are getting more accurate. The team you GM for matters, and it's more than fair to bring up the advantages the Red Sox had in recent years. You know, the same thing that others do for Billy Beane and Andrew Friedman in making excuses for them why they don't have a ring?

This is why I wanted you to post the actual quotes, because you are mischaracterizing them.
You brought up Kenny Williams in a completely unrelated thread. Yeah, it's at least a little bit about Kenny.
You are just remembering what you want to here. I'm impressed by any World Series win, even if you did it with the highest payroll in baseball like the Yankees.

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I really get the feeling that Joe Ricketts is sitting in the backround as the administration reduces payroll to nothing and increases the value of the stadium waiting to well this team. It really makes perfect sense if you think about it. The team will probably achieve the maximum return on investment in about one year. It would be a perfect time to sell before going through the renovations.

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There is no mischaracterization
You go out of your way to discredit Epstein and have since he was hired because he was hired by The Cubs. It's obvious to all who read this board.


No, its not. Its just an easy thing to bring up to show how biased you are. You have argued pages and pages on this board about how good of a GM Kenny Williams is, so when you try and discredit someone with far more success, it naturally comes up.


No, Im remembering that since there was even talk of Theo Epstein possibly getting hired, you have attempted to marginalize his success and at the same time you pump up Kenny Williams.

Its obvious bias.

That's all there is to it.

Of course there was and that is why you refuse to find any place I said those things. You've finally reached some things that are closer to the truth of what I said.
Kenny was a good GM. I'm sorry for thinking he was.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No, I brought up your bias with obvious examples. That's it. You value 1 Championship in 13 years more than 2 in 10.



Agreed, Kenny was a good GM.

Please post the link to where I said this. This is now at least the third thing in this thread you have attributed to me that I have no recollection of ever saying.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Bryan is doing a masterful bit of trolling.

Well done.

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Rick, Im not up for playing Obtuse Rick today.

No, you never flat out said that. You just heap tons of praise on the guy with one title and consistently question the guy with two.

Find a quote of mine where I come close to saying that please.

So you are now 0/3. You really Adam Dunn'd in this thread.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

http://score670.com/phpBB/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=704

No, Im not.

Im right. That's why you're getting so worked up.

You are biased against Theo and for Kenny. Its not even surprising.

Its just when you accuse someone of bias, you should be sure you havent spent years praising one person for half the success of another due to....your own bias

Thank you.

Some of us admit bias and some of us pretend to be objective.

...and yet you can't provide even one quote about those years!

Why would I be mad? I clearly won. I dropped the Scorehead rule on you thrice and you failed.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

BTW, I challenge Rick to find ONE instance in the last three years where he gives any credit to Theo and his two World Series titles, without couching it with payroll or something else.

I can find many instances where Kenny is afforded that luxury.

No, you've clearly lost.

Im not looking up your posts for you. I respect you and your thoughts and we both know that you have been bias FOR Kenny and Against Theo


Do you even deny that?

http://www.score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1462371#p1462371

Since I already know what your response will be, please note that my mention of payroll is ONLY in regards to Kenny Williams.

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Friedman is the best GM in the business. If the cubs are not. 500 or better next year I will start to call Theo a failure.

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You know my response because the only quote you found completely supports my side. You cant give Theo any credit without couching it with something that takes credit away

Thank you for proving my point




That wasnt difficult

That's why context is so important. That's not even an argument about how good of a GM Theo is! It's an argument between whether Sabermetrics or payroll is more important for winning titles.

I doubt Theo himself would even say that Sabermetrics was more important than payroll in terms of winning.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

In both our examples, you took credit away from Theo by citing payroll.

Is this a bit?


Do you deny bias FOR Kenny and AGAINST Theo?

There is a big difference between acknowledging the help provided by payroll and discrediting someone because of payroll. That seems to be what you don't get as evidenced by the three completely wrong stances you've attributed to me in this thread. As I said, it's not that much different than the excuses made for Beane and Friedman for not winning titles. Payroll matters in a league with no salary cap.

I just don't see mentioning fairly obvious factors that gave advantages as discrediting someone or something. In my opinion, it would be ignorant to ignore the advantages that Theo had in Boston. He still gets credit for winning. Many other GM's have advantages and fail to deliver.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No, Im right. When talking Billy Beane, payroll doesnt matter and he hasnt even won a world series. When talking about Theo, it does matter.



You overstate the advantages and you do it every chance you get.

Because you're biased on this topic.