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curious why you don't trust Theo on trades. The only head scratcher for me was Marshall for Wood, which is now proving to have good value.

Chris, check out his trades over his career with the Red Sox. I think you'll then agree with me.

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curious why you don't trust Theo on trades. The only head scratcher for me was Marshall for Wood, which is now proving to have good value.

Chris, check out his trades over his career with the Red Sox. I think you'll then agree with me.

You must be ignoring the Marlins deal. (Which is fine since its not clear if its his or not)


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They will trade Villanueva and Feldman, if they can get a good prospect for them. But if they can't get a highly rated prospect, the idea of a rotation with 4-5 guys you feel give the team a decent chance to win .....that works. The other guys go into the bullpen. God knows it can use an upgrade. Jackson would be most deserving of the domotion, but because of his high salary, I doubt they will make that move.

Why trade Villanueva?


Because he might bring a prospect with a MUCH higher ceiling, from a team in contention that needs another starter NOW (at/near the deadline). Villanueva began the season with some great performances. But he's more likely to return to a level of performance (mediocrity) that he had performed at throughout his careeer. If they can get a guy capable of better in a year or two, thats what signing guys like Feldman, Villanueva and Gregg is all about at this point. But again, if they can't get a really good prospect, there is no reason to give these guys away.

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I think Villanueva might be just finding his stride as a starter


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Because he might bring a prospect with a MUCH higher ceiling, from a team in contention that needs another starter NOW (at/near the deadline). Villanueva began the season with some great performances. But he's more likely to return to a level of performance (mediocrity) that he had performed at throughout his careeer. If they can get a guy capable of better in a year or two, thats what signing guys like Feldman, Villanueva and Gregg is all about at this point. But again, if they can't get a really good prospect, there is no reason to give these guys away.

I don't think any of these pitchers will yield the Cubs any meaningful prospects. The days of Matt Capps for Wilson Ramos are over. Prospects have become incredibly overvalued. If Theo gets lucky he can send off Villanueva/Feldman/Gregg for a relief prospect that can become Addison Reed or James Russell.


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If Shark keeps pitching like this, he'll be the one back in the pen.

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If Shark keeps pitching like this, he'll be the one back in the pen.


Thats not gonna happen. Maybe he got tired of the bullpen throwing wins away for him and decided to lose a game on his own. He really ought to have 2-3 wins that the bullpen blew up for him.

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When do the Cubs get Manny and Ortiz.


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Because he might bring a prospect with a MUCH higher ceiling, from a team in contention that needs another starter NOW (at/near the deadline). Villanueva began the season with some great performances. But he's more likely to return to a level of performance (mediocrity) that he had performed at throughout his careeer. If they can get a guy capable of better in a year or two, thats what signing guys like Feldman, Villanueva and Gregg is all about at this point. But again, if they can't get a really good prospect, there is no reason to give these guys away.

I don't think any of these pitchers will yield the Cubs any meaningful prospects. The days of Matt Capps for Wilson Ramos are over. Prospects have become incredibly overvalued. If Theo gets lucky he can send off Villanueva/Feldman/Gregg for a relief prospect that can become Addison Reed or James Russell.


Don't flip a guy and come back next season with a 50 million dollar nightmare like Edwin Jackson.

Should have never dumped Maholm.

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Because he might bring a prospect with a MUCH higher ceiling, from a team in contention that needs another starter NOW (at/near the deadline). Villanueva began the season with some great performances. But he's more likely to return to a level of performance (mediocrity) that he had performed at throughout his careeer. If they can get a guy capable of better in a year or two, thats what signing guys like Feldman, Villanueva and Gregg is all about at this point. But again, if they can't get a really good prospect, there is no reason to give these guys away.

I don't think any of these pitchers will yield the Cubs any meaningful prospects. The days of Matt Capps for Wilson Ramos are over. Prospects have become incredibly overvalued. If Theo gets lucky he can send off Villanueva/Feldman/Gregg for a relief prospect that can become Addison Reed or James Russell.


Don't flip a guy and come back next season with a 50 million dollar nightmare like Edwin Jackson.

Should have never dumped Maholm.



If the prospects they got in exchange don't pan out, it was a bad deal. But it's too early to say for sure. Maholm did a nice job and the team was on a nice run when he was traded. I would hope that they don't give guys away for low level prospects. But if they are offered prospects they rate highly, they have to pull the trigger.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
If the prospects they got in exchange don't pan out, it was a bad deal. But it's too early to say for sure. Maholm did a nice job and the team was on a nice run when he was traded. I would hope that they don't give guys away for low level prospects. But if they are offered prospects they rate highly, they have to pull the trigger.

If they were to trade for prospects this is actually what you want Theo to do. They aren't going to get good AA/AAA prospects for DeJesus, Villanueva, Feldman, Soriano, Gregg, Marmol etc. High risk high ceiling prospects is the way to go. The trade that comes to mind is Casey Blake for Carlos Santana (who was in A).


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Kirkwood wrote:
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If the prospects they got in exchange don't pan out, it was a bad deal. But it's too early to say for sure. Maholm did a nice job and the team was on a nice run when he was traded. I would hope that they don't give guys away for low level prospects. But if they are offered prospects they rate highly, they have to pull the trigger.

If they were to trade for prospects this is actually what you want Theo to do. They aren't going to get good AA/AAA prospects for DeJesus, Villanueva, Feldman, Soriano, Gregg, Marmol etc. High risk high ceiling prospects is the way to go. The trade that comes to mind is Casey Blake for Carlos Santana (who was in A).


When I say they should not trade for low level prospects, I refer more to their rating than where they are at in the minor leagues. If they are in rookie league or single A, thats fine, as long as the scouts see they have the potential to be front of the rotation starters down the road.

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If the prospects they got in exchange don't pan out, it was a bad deal.

Wow. Hard...hitting...analysis.

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Darkside wrote:
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If the prospects they got in exchange don't pan out, it was a bad deal.

Wow. Hard...hitting...analysis.


Yeah, take out just a part of the post and it doesn't work. But the point of the post is that it's too early to say the prospects they received from Atlanta were not worth trading Maholm. Why don't you have anything to say in reference to the thread? Instead, all you do is troll like the bitch you have become and post lame bullshit. Anyone that read the full post knows that the small portion you quote does not represent the full posting at all. But do continue from your stolen piss stained couch if it brings you joy. :roll:

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If the prospects they got in exchange don't pan out, it was a bad deal.

Wow. Hard...hitting...analysis.


Yeah, take out just a part of the post and it doesn't work. But the point of the post is that it's too early to say the prospects they received from Atlanta were not worth trading Maholm. Why don't you have anything to say in reference to the thread? Instead, all you do is troll like the bitch you have become and post lame bullshit. Anyone that read the full post knows that the small portion you quote does not represent the full posting at all. But do continue from your stolen piss stained couch if it brings you joy. :roll:

Is that really the best you can do?
I'm quite disappointed.

Where is this couch thing coming from?

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Darkside wrote:
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If the prospects they got in exchange don't pan out, it was a bad deal.

Wow. Hard...hitting...analysis.


Yeah, take out just a part of the post and it doesn't work. But the point of the post is that it's too early to say the prospects they received from Atlanta were not worth trading Maholm. Why don't you have anything to say in reference to the thread? Instead, all you do is troll like the bitch you have become and post lame bullshit. Anyone that read the full post knows that the small portion you quote does not represent the full posting at all. But do continue from your stolen piss stained couch if it brings you joy. :roll:

Is that really the best you can do?
I'm quite disappointed.

Where is this couch thing coming from?


From one of your old posts, where you explained that you had never owned a new couch and needed a new one. In the post, you explain how you once stole a couch and had one that smelled of piss and needed to replace it. Classy post. Really brings out your true charachter.

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From one of your old posts, where you explained that you had never owned a new couch and needed a new one. In the post, you explain how you once stole a couch and had one that smelled of piss and needed to replace it. Classy post. Really brings out your true charachter.

You must have misunderstood what ever I was saying.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not shocking.

Also, you don't know shit about my character. I'm not the one calling ethnic groups "undesireables" and saying I wouldn't employ them. That was you.
You are the very least qualified to judge anyones character.
I got you beat in that department every single day of the week.

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Darkside wrote:
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From one of your old posts, where you explained that you had never owned a new couch and needed a new one. In the post, you explain how you once stole a couch and had one that smelled of piss and needed to replace it. Classy post. Really brings out your true charachter.

You must have misunderstood what ever I was saying.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not shocking.

Also, you don't know shit about my character. I'm not the one calling ethnic groups "undesireables" and saying I wouldn't employ them. That was you.
You are the very least qualified to judge anyones character.
I got you beat in that department every single day of the week.



I don't deny saying there are people I will not hire nor care to be associated with. Among those people are thieves. People who steal couches would be included in that group. Thats the kind of shit that a low-life piece of shit white-trash asshole does.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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From one of your old posts, where you explained that you had never owned a new couch and needed a new one. In the post, you explain how you once stole a couch and had one that smelled of piss and needed to replace it. Classy post. Really brings out your true charachter.

You must have misunderstood what ever I was saying.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not shocking.

Also, you don't know shit about my character. I'm not the one calling ethnic groups "undesireables" and saying I wouldn't employ them. That was you.
You are the very least qualified to judge anyones character.
I got you beat in that department every single day of the week.

I don't deny saying there are people I will not hire nor care to be associated with. Among those people are thieves. People who steal couches would be included in that group. Thats the kind of shit that a low-life piece of shit white-trash asshole does.



Nah. A low life piece of shit asshole is the guy that says he won't hire black people, says that he wouldn't date a woman who previously dated a black guy, said he wouldn't invite blacks to his home and didn't waant to live near blacks. That's you. You fit the profile better. All you need is a straw hat and a ufo sighting.

I'm done with you. You're just trying to troll and I just keep kicking your ass all over this board. Its not even sporting.

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Darkside wrote:
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Darkside wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:

From one of your old posts, where you explained that you had never owned a new couch and needed a new one. In the post, you explain how you once stole a couch and had one that smelled of piss and needed to replace it. Classy post. Really brings out your true charachter.

You must have misunderstood what ever I was saying.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Not shocking.

Also, you don't know shit about my character. I'm not the one calling ethnic groups "undesireables" and saying I wouldn't employ them. That was you.
You are the very least qualified to judge anyones character.
I got you beat in that department every single day of the week.

I don't deny saying there are people I will not hire nor care to be associated with. Among those people are thieves. People who steal couches would be included in that group. Thats the kind of shit that a low-life piece of shit white-trash asshole does.



I'm done with you. You're just trying to troll



You are the Troll here. You began the back and forth (again) after posting a small portion of one of my posts and then posting a critical remark to it. You do this often. You don't even address the topic of the thread, but post instead about the content (or just a small portion of it) my posts within the thread. I don't go searching out your posts to remark on them. That's your M.O. not mine.

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And now Jackson is coming around....GREAT rotation


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yeah, we'll see which Jackson we have in a couple games. I say he goes back to what he has been so far this season before the last start.

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yeah, we'll see which Jackson we have in a couple games. I say he goes back to what he has been so far this season before the last start.


I am going to say he continues as he has throughout his career, having good/bad starts mixed together in almost equal numbers. His signing was awful, but hes had enough of a history to reasonably predict the numbers he's likely to accumulate in a season. With the awful start, I am thinking somewhere around 11-14 on the season with a 4.60-4.80 ERA

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Garza looking tough through 2 innings (4 K's). I hope they handle his situation correctly. I would not trade him unless they get at least 2 very high quality prospects and frankly would prefer they sign him to 4 year deal unless he demands crazy money.

# 2 type guys like Garza are just to hard to find. Get him signed and continue building the team.

Hopefully Feldman continues pitching well and they can get a bidding war going for his services.


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I agree Cpguy. Would need a pretty decent return to consider dealing Garza. The injuries will help bring his price down in terms of resigning and hopefully he sees what Theo/Jed are attempting to build. A rotation of Shark/Garza/Jackson/Wood/Appel for Summer 2014 sounds great to me 8)

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I agree Cpguy. Would need a pretty decent return to consider dealing Garza. The injuries will help bring his price down in terms of resigning and hopefully he sees what Theo/Jed are attempting to build. A rotation of Shark/Garza/Jackson/Wood/Appel for Summer 2014 sounds great to me 8)


That 2nd pick is going to be interesting. Let's hope their vaunted scouting system does the job here. If Appel is gone, obviously they can go Jonathon Gray or maybe Kris Bryant if they don't feel Gray is worthy. It would be great to see either Gray or Appel be the real deal and be in the rotation and dealing by 2015!

Let's hope they don't try to outsmart themselves and reach for someone that turns out to be a bust or just mediocre and one of the guys they pass on becomes a stub.


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I haven't heard a single name mentioned in any draft guide other than those three. If they do draft someone else, it will be out of left field, pun very much intended.

Lots of hype lately on Bryant as consensus is that he's going to be a superstar. They do have a good amount of infield depth in the minors though and the lack of top of the rotation prospects has been talked about endlessly.

Reading some critiques on Appel's attitude. I don't remember hearing anything about that last year, but I wasn't paying as close of attention. Hopefully it's a case of this guy has been a top 3 pick for a long time now and people are looking for something to critique him on.

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I haven't heard a single name mentioned in any draft guide other than those three. If they do draft someone else, it will be out of left field, pun very much intended.

Lots of hype lately on Bryant as consensus is that he's going to be a superstar. They do have a good amount of infield depth in the minors though and the lack of top of the rotation prospects has been talked about endlessly.

Reading some critiques on Appel's attitude. I don't remember hearing anything about that last year, but I wasn't paying as close of attention. Hopefully it's a case of this guy has been a top 3 pick for a long time now and people are looking for something to critique him on.

Let's hope they get it right. And yes, if either if these 2 pitchers appears to be the real deal after they do their evaluations, they'd be crazy not to go in that direction unless they feel Bryant is Bryce Harper'esqe.


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Even if they get it wrong, you can enjoy several years of hyping hope before your dreams are dashed.

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