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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:19 pm 
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Rizzo looks like a keeper


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That is pretty damn cheap. Excellent work.

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Woah, Rizzo must've gotten spooked by his slow start? If he turns out to be a bust for whatever reason it'll cost Cubs only $12 million over 5 years. Even the two club options are "cheap" at $29 million over 2 years.

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Sources confirmed Sunday night that the team reached an agreement with first baseman Anthony Rizzo on a seven-year, $41 million contract extension, plus two option years that could bring the total value to around $70 million.


Still very cheap.


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Even if it goes bad... you can blame Theo's laptop.

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What pisses me off though is that Edwin Jackson is making 42 mil over 4 years and pitches like shit every 5th game and pitches ok every 20th game.

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It gives them some trade chips as well if Vogelbach and Shoulders keep progressing throughout the minor leagues. Unless the NL adopts the DH Rizzo is probably the only one of them that could move to the OF. No way in hell Vogelbach does and Shoulders doesn't look that athletic either.

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Great deal for the Cubs.

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Good deal at a reasonable price. Rizzo gets some security and the Cubs lock up a major piece of their puzzle.

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Good move for sure. To bad they didn't spend money (besides Fuji) on quality bullpen arms this year although they are catching lighning in a bottle with Gregg and Ransom/Valbuena at 3B so far.


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Seems real cheap. Like...typo cheap.

Doesn't it? Almost like Rizzo might just stop trying to play well for a losing team knowing he has 40 million no matter what. (Disclosure: I have Rizzo in a HR league.)

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The last two years are options and if they're picked up, the deal ends up being worth 70m

So 41 m is guaranteed but could be 70. He'll have to perform to get the most money, what a concept.

WASHINGTON – The Cubs made a commitment to Anthony Rizzo, a core piece they believe will anchor the lineup, play Gold Glove defense at first base and lead their clubhouse.

In building for the future, the Cubs locked up Rizzo with a seven-year, $41 million deal that contains two club options that could raise the total value to around $70 million, an industry source confirmed late Sunday night.

This is the same playbook team president Theo Epstein and general manager Jed Hoyer used last summer, when they signed All-Star shortstop Starlin Castro to a seven-year, $60 million contract. During the offseason, they also tried to lock up Jeff Samardzija, who wasn’t interested in a discounted long-term deal after only one good year as a big-league starter.

[KAPMAN BLOG: Expect Cubs to be big spenders this offseason]

This comes three weeks after manager Dale Sveum sent a message through the media to his young players, refusing to rule out the idea that Rizzo and Castro could be sent down to Triple-A Iowa.

Rizzo came up from Des Moines in late June last year and the Cubs played their best baseball all season for about a month, right up until the trade deadline. He handled all the hype and put up 15 homers and 48 RBI in 87 games, impressing teammates and staffers with his mature approach.

After a slow start, Rizzo is hitting .280 with nine homers and 28 RBI in 37 games. The new regime at Clark and Addison already understood the player’s makeup.

Jason McLeod, the senior vice president of scouting/player development, selected Rizzo in the sixth round of the 2007 draft for the Boston Red Sox and helped him get through his fight with Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

Working on opposite sides, Epstein and Hoyer included Rizzo in the Adrian Gonzalez deal with the San Diego Padres in December 2010. Thirteen months later, they teamed up to acquire Rizzo after a failed audition in San Diego (.141 average, one homer, 46 strikeouts in 49 games). They gave up a hard-throwing right-hander in Andrew Cashner, projecting Rizzo would provide far more value at first base than an Albert Pujols or a Prince Fielder megadeal.

[RELATED: Cubs searching for their Strasburg/Gonzalez building blocks]

As a “Super Two” player, Rizzo would have been eligible for arbitration after the 2014 season. This move – first reported by FOX Sports – gives the organization some cost certainty. Per club policy, his deal doesn’t include a no-trade clause, but it’s clear the front office believes he’ll be there when the Cubs are contending again.

Rizzo and Castro are both 23 years old, and the Cubs are betting their best seasons are on the horizon.


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Rizzo and Castro are both 23 years old, and the Cubs are betting their best seasons are on the horizon.



Add them both to the list of top first basemen!

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Sunday, the big news out of Chicago -- yes, even bigger than the Southsiders' Chris Sale one-hitting the Angels -- was the Northsiders reportedly close to signing their young first baseman to a new super-long-term contract. From Monday's Chicago Tribune:

As they did with Starlin Castro a year ago, the Cubs have moved quickly to lock up first baseman Anthony Rizzo to a long-term contract, giving them a chance to build a team around him into the next decade.

Rizzo, 23, has agreed to a seven-year, $41 million contract that replaces his one-year deal for 2013 and includes two club options that could increase the value of the deal to $68 million for nine years, according to Cubs sources. There are escalator clauses bases on performance but not a no-trade clause.

Leaving aside the escalator clauses, the Cubs will ideally spend $68 million on Rizzo's Age 23 through 31 seasons. Nine whole seasons, at roughly $7.5 million per season. As it happens, these are most typically a great player's best nine seasons.

By way of comparison, Joey Votto's next contract kicks in next year, covering Votto's Age 30 through 39 seasons, at $22.5 million per season. Don't worry, I'll do the math for you: for a good long while, Votto's going to be making almost exactly three times as much as Rizzo.

Will Votto be three times the player as Rizzo?

I sure wouldn't bet on it.

Joey Votto's an outstanding hitter. He's led the National League in on-base percentage three years running, and he's stronger than a team of oxen. But he'll turn 30 in September, and over the next decade he's going to steadily become worse than he's been. I wish to God this weren't true, because life would be a lot more interesting if baseball players didn't age in a fairly predictable way. But they do.

Don't worry, my Rhineland friends; I'm not here to kill the Reds for Votto's deal. It's a lot of money for a long time, but the club knows more about future revenue than I. My point is that for some number of future years -- maybe it's three years, maybe it's 10 (but probably not) -- both the Reds and the Cubs are going to feature one of the league's best first basemen, but the Cubs will be paying a lot less for that happy privilege.

There are a couple of reasons to think that Anthony Rizzo will not be a fantastic player for a number of years. When he was 21, the Red Sox traded him to the Padres. When he was 22, the Padres traded him to the Cubs. It's quite rare for a supremely talented hitter to be traded once before making his bones; it's rarer still for such a hitter to be traded twice, and might suggest that someone spotted something that concerned them.

The Red Sox? Well, they really wanted Adrian Gonzalez. Wanted him so badly that they traded Rizzo and top pitching prospect to the Padres to get him. Well, that didn't work out so well.

The Padres? Well, they might have been put off by Rizzo's miserable performance as a rookie in 2011, when he batted .141 in 49 games. If so, you couldn't really blame the Padres; after all, among first basemen in history with at least 150 plate appearances, that .141 batting average is the lowest ever. And let's be honest: If the rest of the teams around the majors placed a high value on Rizzo, the Padres probably could have gotten more than Andrew Cashner when they traded him to the Cubs.

In fact, Baseball America had Rizzo as the game's 75th best prospect in 2011, and the 47th best in 2012 (to BA's credit, that latter ranking came after he'd batted .141 in the majors).

Rather than try to explain what happened to Rizzo during those 49 games with the Padres in 2012, let's instead look at his combined line a couple of partial Class AAA seasons (2011 and '12) ...

.336 / .405 / .670

In both seasons, Rizzo would have been among the younger players in the Pacific Coast League while rapping 104 extra-base hits in 163 games. Upon returning to the majors last season with the Cubs, he did well. This season, he's already hit nine home runs while maintaining his batting average.

To be sure, Rizzo's career statistics in the majors aren't outstanding, because of those 49 games in 2011. Even his statistics as a Cub are merely good (for a first baseman). But again, there's every reason to think he'll get better, and if he gets better he'll be as good as Joey Votto in ... oh, another two or three years, at the outside.

Which, again, isn't to speak ill of Votto. But if you could have Joey Votto at $7.5 million per season, wouldn't you be pretty thrilled?

I'll bet the Chicago Cubs are pretty thrilled right now.


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So, as a billion dollar business you are negotiating with a kid in his early 20's, who has very little leverage and you are offering him generational wealth....and these "baseball execs" get congratulated for this???? For what?

Offering guaranteed millions to a kid...and shockingly...he took it!

Big fucking wow! Same goes for the Sale deal. Big fucking deal!

Awfully hard to sit on one side of the table with all the leverage, the money and negotiate with a kid...even if he has an agent. Who, by the way...wants to get a deal done because he makes a fee NOW v in 5 years!

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So, as a billion dollar business you are negotiating with a kid in his early 20's, who has very little leverage and you are offering him generational wealth....and these "baseball execs" get congratulated for this???? For what?

Offering guaranteed millions to a kid...and shockingly...he took it!

Big fucking wow! Same goes for the Sale deal. Big fucking deal!

Awfully hard to sit on one side of the table with all the leverage, the money and negotiate with a kid...even if he has an agent. Who, by the way...wants to get a deal done because he makes a fee NOW v in 5 years!


I would rather pay a player when he is productive than pay him 25 per when he is old and sucks because of what he did in the past. Look at the god awful contracts the Angels keep giving people based on their past and not their present or future.

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Got a potential superstar for less than market value.

Great deal.

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So, as a billion dollar business you are negotiating with a kid in his early 20's, who has very little leverage and you are offering him generational wealth....and these "baseball execs" get congratulated for this???? For what?

Offering guaranteed millions to a kid...and shockingly...he took it!

Big fucking wow! Same goes for the Sale deal. Big fucking deal!

Awfully hard to sit on one side of the table with all the leverage, the money and negotiate with a kid...even if he has an agent. Who, by the way...wants to get a deal done because he makes a fee NOW v in 5 years!
The Cubs signed a potential superstar for well under market value. Even if he doesn't put up the numbers he was hyped to put up and only (only) puts up all star or slightly below all star caliber numbers, its still a great deal for the Cubs. Nobody was forcing Rizzo (or Sale, or Floyd) to sign the deal.

And you're upset about that? So Mr Bigfan, I know you are retired now, but did you wait to buy property until the value went up?

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:lol: Frank vs. bigfan supercedes Frank vs. Cubs I guess.

Frank just called it a "great deal for the Cubs". That is shocking.

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Frank just called it a "great deal for the Cubs". That is shocking.
Hard not to argue.

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Sox fans being the voice of reasons. Wow.

If Rizzo puts up a .895 OPS this year and say, .906 next year, how much more money would this deal cost the Cubs? Huge savings.

If Rizzo puts up an .895OPS this year and .875 every year for the rest of the contact, it's STILL a good deal.

He's fought though enough slumps and swing changes to feel reasonably sure about his floor. Maybe that's just me being overly optimistic and not considering what happened with Beckham(not meant to be a shot at all)

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:lol: Frank vs. bigfan supercedes Frank vs. Cubs I guess.

Frank just called it a "great deal for the Cubs". That is shocking.

Its great. They are so into the WYC type arguing they are FOR and AGAINST things they never would have been before.


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At least with Beckham you have really, really good defense at 2nd base. I would also rather Beckham be at bat in a clutch situation right now than Adam Dunn.

Also, bigfan, the kid performs he can make like $70mil or something. I would think there are also a few bonuses for MVP, All Star games, etc.

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You have to think getting a contract done this way avoids a lot of potential friction between the players and the front office that comes with arbitration. Dealing with that shit each year has got to be taxing on everyone.

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Ryan Theriot asking for $3.4M. :lol:

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The deal is a no-brainer. The Cubs have two pieces of the puzzle. That's it.

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Seems real cheap. Like...typo cheap.


I think I'm in the typo camp as well. This is an amazing deal for the team.

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Seems real cheap. Like...typo cheap.


I think I'm in the typo camp as well. This is an amazing deal for the team.
While I think it's a really good deal too, part of it is that Rizzo could have been had for much cheaper for many years. From the article I was reading, the 2 option years for the Cubs coincide with what would be his 2nd and 3rd years of free agency.

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