When is the last time you saw an NBA playoff game as physical as what Laimbeer, Mahorn, Rodman and the rest of that team were throwing around on a nightly basis. They even got spindly spider Salley to get physical. Then there were the Knicks.

Lupica knew he was trolling. He said he was going to immediately get calls fromt he midwest.

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Jordan didnt have a hall of famer on his team!!!

Oh wait

Well he certainly didnt get a second hall of famer after already winning a title

Oh wait


No but really, there is no comparison. LeBron doesnt have an entire team being built and trained to beat him. He probably should.

Lebron played with 2 future hall of famers last year and is playing with 3 of them this year.

Jordan never even played on a team with more than one other all star!

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Pippen- Hall of Famer
Rodman- Hall of Famer
Grant- All Star
Ron Harper- All star

If BRick is gonna cite Ray Allen, better get Robert Parrish up.

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Grant and Harper were never all stars with Jordan.

Rodman was a future hall of famer but so is Allen.

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Its weird how he's so dominant sometimes and other times very human. The Bulls werent like that. They were pretty consistent

Sooner or later another three guys will get together and take them out

Grant was most definitely snubbed his last year and Harper was an established star when they got him. And remember that all star voting is not exactly a perfect science (yao ming, magic johnson etc)

Jordan never won a title without at least one Hall of Fame teammate and another all star caliber player (Grant, Rodman, Kukoc)

Pippen and Wade cancel out. Rodman was as effective as Bosh.

I don't know what you guys are arguing about, but Ron Harper was completely washed up by the time he came to the bulls. He averaged like 6 PPG!!!

RPB - who are you crappin??

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He was still an excellent defender.

He was a starter on a team that won 72 games.

So I ask you sir, Who are YOU crappin

harper would poke you in the eye with his cane.

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Amazing he was able to hang on for 5 years with the Bulls and 2 more with the Lakers

He averaged 20 per game the year before they got him. His job was not to score. It was to defend the other teams best scorer so MJ could do his thing on the offensive end.

He was still a very good player.

he was Thabo with bad knees. BFD.

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Bosh and Wade are perennial all stars and unless they retire they are both destined for 10+ all star appearances. The list of people with 10+ all star appearances is basically a list of the all time great players. Bosh and Wade are at another level than anyone Jordan played with outside of Pippen.
So? None of them were all stars and none of them at that time were as good as Bosh is.
I disagree. I can accept that if we were talking about Rodmans prime, but Rodman was not in his prime.

You seem to want to mention what Ron Harper was prior to getting to the Bulls. How about Bosh going for 24 ppg and 10.8 rebounds a game there?

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Hatchet, you're simply wrong about Harper. I'll leave it at that.

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You overrate Bosh and underrate Rodman and Kukoc.


Completely disagree



Yeah, he only led the league in rebounding every year he was here.




That's a different argument. Hatchet was saying he was worthless because he didnt score, I was just pointing out why that was.

That's not really the argument. The league was much more tolerant of physical play back then which would mean one of its star players was taking more of a beating than a current player.

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Yeah, I know, I was just baiting Rick into this argument

Chris Bosh is not a Hall of Famer.

Not ever.

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He's virtually a lock unless he retires after this year.

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BRick, there is literally no chance.

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Im not sure about that, but I think Rick puts too much emphasis on All star appearances.


And I continue to be amazed by how people disregard Rodman, Kukoc, and Grant's contributions to those titles

I guess I'm wrong.

http://deadspin.com/5979332/chris-bosh- ... oo-far-off

Chris Bosh Says He's A Lock For The Hall Of Fame, And He's Not Too Far Off


A couple of days ago, Chris Bosh told Fox Sports that he feels good about his chances of making the Hall of Fame:

"Hell, yeah, of course. I've been a Hall of Famer like four years ago," the Miami Heat center told FOX Sports Florida after Friday's 110-88 win over Detroit. "And I say that very serious, though. I've talked about it before with my friends."
Is this, like Joe Flacco calling himself "top five" or Stephon Marbury calling himself "the best point guard to play basketball," just another overconfident athlete prematurely categorizing himself among the greats? Chris Bosh is notably weird and generally understood to be the Catwoman to LeBron James and Dwyane Wade's Batman and Robin, so his estimation of his own legacy would seem to reveal a lack of self-awareness...were he not basically correct.

Basketball Reference has a couple of handy metrics that we can use to figure out whether Bosh is talking out of his ass. Similarity score confines itself to players at comparable positions and evaluates similarity based on years played, career arc, best years vs. worst, and win shares—in short, the formula finds careers that have a similar "quality and shape." Who's Bosh's best match? Channing Frye? Rik Smits? James Worthy. The numbers Bosh is putting up, and the way he's accruing them, correspond to one of the game's great third wheels, exactly what he should aspire to.

The second useful metric here, and perhaps the only one Bosh needs to back himself up, is Hall of Fame probability. Basketball Reference used (something totally over my head called) a logistic regression model to get a set of criteria by which Hall of Fame voters have historically chosen players. There are, according to B-R, seven factors:

height -0.1771
last season indicator 3.1498
NBA points per game 0.3433
NBA rebounds per game 0.4193
NBA assists per game 0.3327
NBA All-Star game selections 0.5626
NBA championships won 0.9151

Chris Bosh's Hall of Fame probability is currently 89%—on the active list, that puts him ahead of Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, Pau Gasol and even Steve Nash, who is an actual lock.

Height is negatively correlated, so that isn't helping the 6-10 Bosh. Having finished one's career prior to 1960 (last season indicator) is up there, but that doesn't help Bosh either. His one title helps his case and his career line of 19.7 ppg, 9.0 rpg and 2.1 apg is fairly strong, but it's All-Star games that are tilting the odds in Bosh's favor. 2013's ASG will be his eighth, and his eighth straight. He's wrong that he was likely to make the Hall of Fame four years ago, but every All-Star game appearance makes him much more likely to get elected to the Hall of Fame. Wouldn't 10 straight make him a virtual lock? Well, eight straight and a championship gives him an 89% chance.

One reason Bosh's chances seem disproportionate to his reputation: Voters like All-Star selections, and Bosh has accrued them by being one of a very low number of effective big men in the Eastern Conference. 2004's Eastern Conference All-Star team boasted Jamaal Magloire at center. 2005's had Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Ben Wallace. Bosh was a savior in his first year there. That speaks to the dearth of quality big men, but also to the difficulty inherent in that job description. Bosh has been doing something very hard, very well, for a long time. Which, weird as it may be, means that we may as well get used to the sound of "Hall of Fame big man Chris Bosh." He's earned a better appellation than "Bosh Spice."

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Bosh in Toronto was a top 10 player. Kukoc, at his best, was never top 10, so I don't think we can say MJ played alongside two top 10 players during his career.

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I'm working on a paper based on my observations of the team after re-watching most of the Bulls playoff games from 1989 onward. I'm at Game 5 of the 1991 Finals right now. Probably gonna finish that one tonight. I've already noticed some big changes from Doug Collins to Phil Jackson, but your point is valid Spark. Horace Grant's evolution as a player was almost as crucial to the Bulls' success as Pippen's was.

And Kukoc could have been a starter on most NBA teams at that point, and probably would have been an All Star had that been the case.

And yes, Rodman was still consistently the best rebounder in the league.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_All-Stars Every player who has 10+ all star appearances is either a hall of famer or will be a hall of famer once eligible. Even 9 seems to be enough.
No one is disregarding them simply because they think a future hall of famer is better than them. Rodman is also a hall of famer, but clearly he was past his prime in Chicago while still being valuable.

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Bosh was never a top 10 player.

He was the second best center in the league, but that has to do with the lack of quality at the position more so than actual ability.

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That's hardly an accepted fact

And I never said Jordan played with top ten. He always had good players around him. All star caliber players.

Unprecedented because Bosh made many all star teams because of a lack of centers.



Yeah, he led the league in rebounding every year. Id say thats valuable and all star caliber play