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unfortunately, few general managers with brains want Luol Deng.


He was on the all star team this year and he has led the league in minutes the last couple seasons.


Leading the league in minutes for two seasons would be a bad thing. Not to beat a dead horse, but the most attractive, tradeable player on the Bulls is Joakim Noah. It's not even close.

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unfortunately, few general managers with brains want Luol Deng.


He was on the all star team this year and he has led the league in minutes the last couple seasons.


Leading the league in minutes for two seasons would be a bad thing. Not to beat a dead horse, but the most attractive, tradeable player on the Bulls is Joakim Noah. It's not even close.

Joakim Noah isn't going anywhere. He's part of the foundation of this current Bulls' franchise. He's also not making the kind of $$$$ that Luol Deng is scheduled to make next year. If they're not about to amnesty Carlos Boozer until next summer, Deng's expendable thanks to the emergence of Jimmy Butler. He's the guy the Bulls should move.
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unfortunately, few general managers with brains want Luol Deng.
Lucky for us Kenny Williams is no longer a GM!

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unfortunately, few general managers with brains want Luol Deng.
Lucky for us Kenny Williams is no longer a GM!

He's also to the White Sox what John Paxson is to the Bulls.
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Joakim Noah isn't going anywhere. He's part of the foundation of this current Bulls' franchise. He's also not making the kind of $$$$ that Luol Deng is scheduled to make next year. If they're not about to amnesty Carlos Boozer until next summer, Deng's expendable thanks to the emergence of Jimmy Butler. He's the guy the Bulls should move.



We've gone back and forth on this before. I don't know if you're saying you personally think Noah shouldn't go anywhere, or that the Bulls believe Noah shouldn't go anywhere.

I would disagree in any case. If someone is going to overvalue Noah, then let it be a team other than Chicago. The salary difference between Noah and Deng is around two million (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm). A "foundation" of Rose, Noah, and Butler isn't going to get you anywhere.

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I don't know about anyone else but I said months ago that Derrick Rose will have to leave Chicago to win a championship.


Why do you think he'll have to leave to win?

I have very little faith in the Bulls upper management's ability/willingness to provide a secondary scoring option for Rose. With Rose as the best player, I believe this team will be a perennial second round out, with the occasional ECF appearance.

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If someone is going to overvalue Noah, then let it be a team other than Chicago. The salary difference between Noah and Deng is around two million (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm). A "foundation" of Rose, Noah, and Butler isn't going to get you anywhere.


The main thing the Bulls have is the right coach. With the exception of the Spurs coach, there isn't any other coach that's better than Thibodeau. The Bulls just need one more player that can score in the starting lineup or a super sub.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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I don't know about anyone else but I said months ago that Derrick Rose will have to leave Chicago to win a championship.


Why do you think he'll have to leave to win?

I have very little faith in the Bulls' upper management's ability/willingness to provide a secondary scoring option for Rose. With Rose as the best player, I believe this team will be a perennial second round out, with the occasional ECF appearance.


In that case I'd agree with you, assuming GarPax continue to remain conservative and overvalue players like Deng and Noah.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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I don't know about anyone else but I said months ago that Derrick Rose will have to leave Chicago to win a championship.


Why do you think he'll have to leave to win?

I have very little faith in the Bulls upper management's ability/willingness to provide a secondary scoring option for Rose. With Rose as the best player, I believe this team will be a perennial second round out, with the occasional ECF appearance.

I agree, but I think Rose will outlast this upper management regime
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Rose would be smart to sign elsewhere once this paper is up. He could get Carmelo that ring.

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Rose would be smart to sign elsewhere once this paper is up. He could get Carmelo that ring.

Do you even like the Bulls?
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Rose would be smart to sign elsewhere once this paper is up. He could get Carmelo that ring.

Do you even like the Bulls?


Bulls - No
Sox - No
Cubs - No
Bears - Who?

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Rose would be smart to sign elsewhere once this paper is up. He could get Carmelo that ring.


Rose is not a free agent until 2017. I think this current contract is the most money he will make in his career. If he is going to drive the hole and get hammered he may not finish the contract without some serious injuries.

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Rose would be smart to sign elsewhere once this paper is up. He could get Carmelo that ring.

Do you even like the Bulls?

I love the Bulls.

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Rose would be smart to sign elsewhere once this paper is up. He could get Carmelo that ring.

Do you even like the Bulls?


Bulls - No
Sox - No
Cubs - No
Bears - Who?

You seem to have omitted the Blackhawks.

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Rose would be smart to sign elsewhere once this paper is up. He could get Carmelo that ring.

Do you even like the Bulls?

I love the Bulls.

Cool.
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Hawg Ass wrote:
Krazy Ivan wrote:
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Rose would be smart to sign elsewhere once this paper is up. He could get Carmelo that ring.

Do you even like the Bulls?


Bulls - No
Sox - No
Cubs - No
Bears - Who?

You seem to have omitted the Blackhawks.

:lol: :lol:

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I have very little faith in the Bulls upper management's ability/willingness to provide a secondary scoring option for Rose. With Rose as the best player, I believe this team will be a perennial second round out, with the occasional ECF appearance.


By the way, if you were in management's shoes, what would you do to bring in a legitimate star, or at least change some stuff up? Personally, as I said before, I think you see what you can get for your 27 year old, all NBA defense first team center.

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I have very little faith in the Bulls upper management's ability/willingness to provide a secondary scoring option for Rose. With Rose as the best player, I believe this team will be a perennial second round out, with the occasional ECF appearance.


By the way, if you were in management's shoes, what would you do to bring in a legitimate star, or at least change some stuff up? Personally, as I said before, I think you see what you can get for your 27 year old, all NBA defense first team center.

Unfortunately he's the only movable piece to this puzzle. His value will never be higher than now. You have to shop Noah.

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You have to shop Noah.



I'll take KENTA.

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You have to shop Noah.



I'll take KENTA.

:lol: Kensuke my Sasaki.

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Always.


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Interesting stat I just read:

Thibs has only lost 4 straight games twice in his coaching career. 2011 against the Heat in the playoffs, and 2013 against the Heat in the playoffs.

Yowza...

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Interesting stat I just read:

Thibs has only lost 4 straight games twice in his coaching career. 2011 against the Heat in the playoffs, and 2013 against the Heat in the playoffs.

Yowza...


In 2011, he hadn't lost more than 2 consecutive games all season before losing 4 in a row to the Heat.

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Vinny Del Negro has never lost 4 straight to the Heat


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Vinny Del Negro has never lost 4 straight to the Heat


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